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For my receiver I have a Pioneer VSX-522-K, and I have the Polk 6750 5.1 speaker package. There's never been a point where I though that something sounds bad or "empty", for a lack of better words. The surrounds aren't extremely noticeable, but over all I'm happy with it, but I don't even have anything to compare it to. As a musician and someone who eventually wants to get into audio engineering, audio equipment is important to me. Unfortunately, I've never really had a chance to hear a very high end HT system besides at a movie theater. At my local Future Shop all they have for a demo is mini Bose speakers.

There's a really good sale at Future Shop right now, so I think I'm going to get some new Polk speakers. I'm looking at a set of RTi A7s, CSi A6, and a set of FXi A4s (where I'd put my surrounds there isn't really a whole lot of room for A6s, and Future Shop doesn't have them anyway.) I've heard good things about a certain Klipsch sub, so I may get that eventually, but I'll just focus on the other speakers right now because they're on sale for a good price and I'll keep using the sub I have for now.

So what I'd like to know is, how much of a difference will I notice? Will I be blown away? Will I even notice a difference when using it at low volumes at night?
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Going from satellites to full size speakers will be a huge upgrade. satellites generally have a hole in the mid bass region, plus little speakers with 3.5" drivers have a problem filling up a larger room.

I know when I went from satellite speakers to full size bookshelf speakers it was a huge upgrade. You should really notice a big difference when playing music also.

Remember to re-calibrate your system when you replace the speakers. I think the VSX-522 comes with a microphone and uses MCACC room calibration.

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Get the sub now:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078

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"Huge upgrade" is an understatement.


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+1 on the Klipsch sub, but it appears the OP is in Canada and is probably out of luck wih NewEgg.
To the OP - You will notice a big difference going to that setup!
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Get the sub now:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078
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"Huge upgrade" is an understatement.

I live in Canada, so options are limited for me. I'll find a good deal on one eventually, just not right now.
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Good luck.

Have fun. 

You may want to start a "Canadian" thread for help.


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I would go with direct radiating speakers such as the A1's from polk, they are on sale this week and I find they are a bit better than di/bi pole speakers

http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/polk-audio-bookshelf-speakers-rtia1-black-2-speakers/10090945.aspx?path=c775a17892941c6bc684aaaafe4ca6f2en02&SearchPageIndex=1

When it comes to subs in canada you have to accept that we need to pay out the ass of anything decent. SVS pb1000 is basically the most inexpensive good sub we can get. Sometimes klipsch sells their sub 12 at 400, however for 100 more you can get much for sub going with the svs.
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+1 on the Klipsch sub, but it appears the OP is in Canada and is probably out of luck wih NewEgg.
To the OP - You will notice a big difference going to that setup!

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I live in Canada, so options are limited for me. I'll find a good deal on one eventually, just not right now.

I live in Canada.
And if you click on the NewEgg attachment from the above (post # 3), a window will open-up telling you their is a Canadian site for NewEgg.

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I would go with direct radiating speakers such as the A1's from polk, they are on sale this week and I find they are a bit better than di/bi pole speakers

I thought di/bi speakers were good for surrounds, or is that just a matter of opinion?
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HUGE difference. I went from THIS CRAP to THIS and the difference will blow your mind!!! I would never look buy cheap speakers again.
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Can you describe the room more? What is the total size (length x width x height)? Is it a sealed room, or open to other rooms? How far do you sit from the main front three speakers from your primary seating position? What type of floor do you have (carpet, hardwood, tile)? What is your budget?

Pictures are even better if you can take some and post them.
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You'll have to pardon the mess, it's 12:16 am here right now so I'm not going to clean to take some pictures right now. Also, you'll probably notice that it says "DANCE" on the wall, that's because my sister recently had a dance party in the room, and I was never bothered to take it down.

Anyway, it's a far from ideal room for sound. Concrete floor, and it's open. With the tower speakers I'll probably move the shelf that's next to the TV and put the speaker on each side of the TV.






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Oh my! eek.gif You have a looooong way to go here... 1st, work on the room. That alone will put your SQ leaps and bounds ahead of what you have presently. Then, yes, get GOOD speakers and without a doubt, a GOOD sub. Have you thought about the possibility of DIY??? That would be the best bet for you in my opinion, IF you have the time/desire. The highest 'bang for the buck' you're likely to find.
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What do you mean by work on the room? And what's DIY?
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What do you mean by work on the room? And what's DIY?

Hey Renton whats your budget?

you should find a near by hi end audio shop and go listen to some higher end systems..

Paradigm studio line ( Canadian) you will be blown away.. just need to add some power ...

subs.. so many subs to look at but SVS sells subs in Canada internet direct.. pc plus cylinders.. or ultras are inexpensive.. same as USA pricing...

go into a few hi end audio shops talk and learn! future shop sells alot of audio garbage. remember garbage on sale is still garbage..

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What do you mean by work on the room? And what's DIY?
DIY = Do It Yourself...IOW you asseble the parts. Keeps costs low.

As for the room, Carpet, wall treatments, proper speaker placement ALL play part in the final product. Just to start with... wink.gif
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I would start with carpeting. That will have the most impact to the sound. Probably more than speakers.
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That‘s not really an option. Those pictures are of my parent‘s basement, so it‘s not my choice to do stuff like that to the room. I‘m planning on moving out within the next year, so I don‘t want to put holes in the walls for wall mounts and then leave with the speakers.
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How about a large area rug in the listening/viewing area?

The best way to describe the HTIB to "real" speakers upgrade is by saying that you'll be stunned. You'll hear things you never heard before, in songs you've heard 100's of times. This was my experience going from HTIB sat. speakers to budget speakers, and again when I upgraded from my budget speakers to mid-level speakers.

Good speakers sound good at all volume levels. They'll sound good at low-medium levels, but should really open up into a different realm when really cranked. Clarity is need at low volume levels, and many cheaper speakers tend to lack this. Clarity and detail is what you should expect to gain when upgrading speakers.

You may want to rethink your listening/viewing area. You want to have your front speakers spaced wide to create a larger soundstage. Looks like you could move your TV to one of the larger walls and go from there.

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That‘s not really an option. Those pictures are of my parent‘s basement, so it‘s not my choice to do stuff like that to the room. I‘m planning on moving out within the next year, so I don‘t want to put holes in the walls for wall mounts and then leave with the speakers.

You should be able to buy carpet remnants for next to nothing.
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That‘s not really an option. Those pictures are of my parent‘s basement, so it‘s not my choice to do stuff like that to the room. I‘m planning on moving out within the next year, so I don‘t want to put holes in the walls for wall mounts and then leave with the speakers.

You should be able to buy carpet remnants for next to nothing.

carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..

build some diy bass traps and absorber pannels and place them in the room no hole required!

doing it right!!!!

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carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..

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carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..

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carpet is minimal effect on room acoustics..
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carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..

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carpet is minimal effect on room acoustics..
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carpet helps tone down refective sound but wont do anything for bass. But carpet belong to the floor so i think it would be a good start. I doubt anyone would want acoustic panels on the floor.
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carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..
Carpet has a massive effect on room acoustics, and it's the least obtrusive method of taming everything from early reflections to room modes.

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Carpet has a massive effect on room acoustics, and it's the least obtrusive method of taming everything from early reflections to room modes.
I agree
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carpet doesnt do much for room acoustics..
Carpet has a massive effect on room acoustics, and it's the least obtrusive method of taming everything from early reflections to room modes.


carpet is minimal...

what about walls, ceiling, corners ? lay some carpet eh and room treatments are done LOL..
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Carpet has a massive effect on room acoustics, and it's the least obtrusive method of taming everything from early reflections to room modes.

Exactly. Which is why I recommend starting there. And call around for remnants and check Craig's list, you might get it for free or very little cost and get a massive upgrade.
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