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I'm looking for a pair of tower speakers to replace my old JBLs. I'm looking for great bass and under $300 per.
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Old JBL what model? Old JBL covers a LOT of ground. Great bass at under $300 each? Not likely.

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They are Northridge E60 I believe. Great bass compared to these, is what I'm after.
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I'd look at the Primus p363 towers

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If you want great bass, get a powered subwoofer!!

Infinity P363 is a very good speaker but I dont know if it has "great bass".

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Can you do bookshelves OP? I'm sure you could put together something a little better in regards to bass output with that budget if you went with a pair of bookshelves & a sub

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I have 2 powered subs. Im looking for some nice towers to compliment the subs. Something to do that mid range bass. I feel as though there is a drop off from my fronts to my subs, like a gap.
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What is your crossover set at?

Most good bookshelf speakers crossover fine at 80hz (the crossover recommend by THX for HT). My bookshelf speakers (which cost less than $300 a piece) are crossed over at 60hz and there is no gap.

+1 the earlier comment ... at that price range you can probably get better quality bookshelf speakers than towers.
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The sub is set at 120 the fronts are set to Large
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With that setting, on most avr's, you're not getting anything out of your sub on 2 channel music. Try setting your speakers to small, crossover around 80hz.
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The sub is set at 120 the fronts are set to Large
It would assist if you could tell us about your stuff. Type of sub, receiver, etc. Is it possible that your subs are getting in the way (sonically) of your JBL's? Where are your subs located? How much power are you feeding the E60's? Have you thought about upgrading to one really good sub? Back in the day, the E60 had respectable sound, but was lacking in bass. Do you have 2 matching or mis-matched subs?
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Might not need new speakers now...good call guys!

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I have an Onkyo 805, 2 PA-120 subs. One sub is at the front of the room next to the left front tower. The other is in the rear left corner. I used the sub crawl method to place them. I used Audessey to set up, as well as an SPL meter to calibrate the levels.
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I don't know how Onkyo handles it (Yamaha user) but I'm under the impression that when your speakers are set to large that the only thing the sub gets is the LFE signal. Fine for movies, maybe not so fine for music. Setting the speakers to small sends the sub the LFE signal and everything below whatever cutoff freq. you've selected.
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I have an Onkyo 805, 2 PA-120 subs. One sub is at the front of the room next to the left front tower. The other is in the rear left corner. I used the sub crawl method to place them. I used Audessey to set up, as well as an SPL meter to calibrate the levels.

The 805 manual isn't very helpful on what it does exactly that I can see. However, it isn't Audyssey recommending small, it's the AVR, Audyssey says if you have a sub, set your speakers to small. On my Onkyo I use small for my mains FWIW. I'd try crossing over at 80 and maybe 60 with the mains set to small and see what you think in any case.

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The 805 manual isn't very helpful on what it does exactly that I can see. However, it isn't Audyssey recommending small, it's the AVR, Audyssey says if you have a sub, set your speakers to small. On my Onkyo I use small for my mains FWIW. I'd try crossing over at 80 and maybe 60 with the mains set to small and see what you think in any case.

There is no small setting, there is Full Band, then from 90hz down to 40hz I think
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The 805 manual isn't very helpful on what it does exactly that I can see. However, it isn't Audyssey recommending small, it's the AVR, Audyssey says if you have a sub, set your speakers to small. On my Onkyo I use small for my mains FWIW. I'd try crossing over at 80 and maybe 60 with the mains set to small and see what you think in any case.

There is no small setting, there is Full Band, then from 90hz down to 40hz I think

Essentially the same thing, full band yields no crossover, selecting a crossover gets one (the difference between large and small)

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Essentially the same thing, full band yields no crossover, selecting a crossover gets one (the difference between large and small)
Ok, let me see if I understand correctly, I should set the sub's xover as high as it will go on the sub and let my avr handle the xover? Also, the lower the number, the higher the frequency? (40 hz is high 200hz is low)?
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Ok, let me see if I understand correctly, I should set the sub's xover as high as it will go on the sub and let my avr handle the xover?

Also, the lower the number, the higher the frequency? (40 hz is high 200hz is low)?


Your receiver handles crossovers like so:

Full/Full Band: this means there will be no crossover applied and they will play the full bandwidth of the receiver (20hz-20kHz usually)

...From there there can choose certain crossover points (100hz, 90hz, etc etc). This means that any material BELOW that point will be sent to your subwoofer


The lower the number, the lower the frequency. Check out this link and it will begin to make more sense..

http://www.independentrecording.net/irn/resources/freqchart/main_display.htm

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Essentially the same thing, full band yields no crossover, selecting a crossover gets one (the difference between large and small)
Ok, let me see if I understand correctly, I should set the sub's xover as high as it will go on the sub and let my avr handle the xover? Also, the lower the number, the higher the frequency? (40 hz is high 200hz is low)?

Yes, either move the sub's crossover to max setting or use an LFE input on the sub (which would bypass the crossover on the sub), and let the avr do the crossover. Lowest frequency is the lower number (Hz = cycles per second). General THX crossover is recommended for 80Hz, but keep in mind it's not a specific point type of crossover but defining a beginning point for a slope, so even when you set a crossover at 80 doesn't mean your main speakers won't put out sound below 80Hz, they're just being instructed to put out less and less as the frequency drops). I'd try 80 first, then 60 (override your avr's recommendation after you run Audyssey).

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Emphasis on "recommended". An 80hz crossover is just a starting point to try. Interactions will be different for everyone so try different crossover points until you achieve what you like

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Ok guys, thanks for all the help. I think I got it dialed in. My front towers a rated at 40hz-20kHz, so I set the crossover at 80hz.
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Glad to hear you got it sorted. Enjoy!

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