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I searched through all the threads and majority of those asking for advice are either in the $500 or $1,000 range. I was hoping to find some help with a budget of around $1,500.

This will be in a small 11x11 room. I was thinking about one of the Denon AVRs around $400 and the Klipsch sub for $280 on sale that everyone has been talking about. What would you guys recommend for the LCR? I'm planning on sticking to 3.1 first until I have the rest of the room setup.

People have been mentioning the Cambridge and ARX's as good beginning speakers. Should I stick to those or look for something one step up?

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In a room that size you could probably get by running a phantom center. I like the sound of the B&W 600 series so I'd recommend a pair of 685's. I'm sure many will chime in saying that they are overpriced, bloated junk. Speakers are so subjective that I suggest you audition as many as you can and note that what sounds good in-store might not sound good at home (and vice versa). Buy from someplace that has a good return policy.
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In a room that size you could probably get by running a phantom center. I like the sound of the B&W 600 series so I'd recommend a pair of 685's. I'm sure many will chime in saying that they are overpriced, bloated junk. Speakers are so subjective that I suggest you audition as many as you can and note that what sounds good in-store might not sound good at home (and vice versa). Buy from someplace that has a good return policy.

They have some of those that I can check out at my local BB. Would the Ascend CMT340 be too much for a room that size? What about the Primus 363?

The Klipsch sub is no longer on sale so I might need a recommendation for another one or just wait till the price drops again.
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There is no such thing as too much speaker for a room, unless physically, it is too large!
A really good speaker can play loud and clear, but also can play low and clear!
However, in a smallish room, the ascend acoust 170 might be just fine! The ascends are really good speakers in that price range!

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In and around that price point, you could go with the CMT-340's across the front (are you doing a projector and screen? I'd get a CMT-340 main for the center) and HTM-200's for sides and backs. For a little more, add the TP-24 stands if you need them.

Denon has the 2113 for $400 refurbed directly from them. Newegg has the Pioneer SC-1222-K with digital amps and a full set of pre-amp outputs (a very good thing to have) for $500 til 5/27. That's a great deal if you don't have a Costco that is still selling the popular 1522k with 9.2 channel decoding (DTS Neo:X) for $600.

Get a sub a little later.

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In and around that price point, you could go with the CMT-340's across the front (are you doing a projector and screen? I'd get a CMT-340 main for the center) and HTM-200's for sides and backs. For a little more, add the TP-24 stands if you need them.

Denon has the 2113 for $400 refurbed directly from them. Newegg has the Pioneer SC-1222-K with digital amps and a full set of pre-amp outputs (a very good thing to have) for $500 til 5/27. That's a great deal if you don't have a Costco that is still selling the popular 1522k with 9.2 channel decoding (DTS Neo:X) for $600.

Get a sub a little later.

Yes, this will be off of a PJ and screen. Did you mean the 340 center for the center speaker or get the main and use it for the center? I have to assume the 340s will also need a stand correct? I wouldn't be able to just stand them on the floor?

I just got back from Costco and none of them carry the 1522k. Would the Denon 1913 suffice or should I bump it up to a higher model. I ask because amazon warehouse has them for relatively cheap.
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Well, I would say do an acoustically transparent screen (not as expensive as one would think), but since you have 11 feet to work with, that would necessitate in-wall speakers (you'd normally eat up a couple feet using in-room speakers behind an AT screen).

If in-wall's don't sound good to you, the Ascend CMT-340 SE Center (horizontal) would be a-okay, though a compromise (all horizontal center speakers are). Get the TP-24 stands for the left and right. A regular center speaker stand would be used for the horizontal center.

That sucks about Costco's in your area not carrying the 1522k. A really great deal.

I'd recommend the Pioneer 1222k on sale at Newegg over the Denon 1913. It's a mid-level receiver whereas the 1913 is more in the budget line, and you get the bonus of pre-amp outputs. That way you can add better power amplifiers at a later date. Buying from an unauthorized marketplace seller or Ebay seller voids the manufacturer's warranty.

7.1 surround would look like this:



Sides at 90 degrees, backs at 150.

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Thanks for the layout. Unfortunately, opening the walls would lead me directly into my garden so that is out of the equation.

I called Frys and they have some major sale on all Denon receivers. What would be comparable to the 1222k? As for the 1522k, there might be a couple in stock but it's about an hour and a half drive away. I'll see if I can sneak out there over the holidays and snag one up.
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Not exactly sure what you mean by opening up the walls and your garden (?). Need to be more specific... or provide pictures of the room in question. biggrin.gif

Worth the drive if you can do it! Hurry! The 1522k is a hot commodity at $600 for 9.2 channel decoding.

A Denon AVR-3313ci would be the closest thing to the 1222k (7.2 channels with pre-amp outs with about the same amp wattage), but it costs more. If you come up short on the 1522k, Newegg has the 1222k on sale until 5/27. The next best choice for dollar spent.

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2 of these:
http://www.amazon.com/MartinLogan-Motion-10-Floorstanding-Speaker/dp/B0035FZ142
Phantom center...VOILA!!! High(er) end on a budget! cool.gif
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I'm about to do the same thing, I came up with, but willing to spend a little more over a longer period. I like the Yamaha amps and Polk speakers for value for money.

Yamaha 673 receiver $400 ($200 saving over the 675)
Polk RTI A6 center $400
Polk RTI A3 rears $400/pr
Polk RTI A7 fronts $1000/pr
Polk 505 sub $170

I will start off with the receiver and A3 speakers, which I will use as fronts until I buy the A7s, and slowly add the rest. If you have to keep it within $1500 regardless of time period, I would probably do

373,375,473, or 475 receiver $200-350
A4 center $250
Polk A1 rears $300/pr
Polk A5 fronts $800/pr
Polk 505 sub $170
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Yes, I'm about to say it... you can do much better sound quality-wise than Polk for the money. Internet Direct companies are your friend.

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Ascend Acoustics is having a summer sale right now as well and that includes the CMT-340SEs with stands (shipping extra).

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^^^ Worth a look. The stands are free with speaker purchase which saves you 140 bucks. Don't be scared that they are B stock, I bought B stock stands and to this day still have not found a blemish on them to justify them being sold as B stock.170's are on sale also for 50 bucks off.

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Slightly off topic, but helpful when comparing these speakers and not being able to hear them. Does anyone know how manufacturers may cheat on frequency response specs? Eg the cheap Sony's that have a high response of 55Khz or something crazy like that. I know Sony rates its receiver wattage at 6Ohm instead of 8 Ohm, and using 1Khz THD rather than 20-20, which makes their receivers look way more powerful than the competition. Do they employ a similar tactic in measuring FR in speakers?

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MartinLogan does not use 'tricks' nor do they 'cheat' on their specs...Telling ya...ML is by far, hands down the BEST speaker company there is...IMHO... cool.gif
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Do they employ a similar tactic in measuring FR in speakers?
They do. Klipsch for one is well known for making seriously false claims with respect to sensitivity. How can you tell what's the truth? Look at the manufacturer's measured SPL chart. If there isn't one an alarm should go off. The only reasons for the lack of one is that the manufacturer doesn't have one, or that they do and they don't want you to see it.

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There is no such thing as too much speaker for a room, unless physically, it is too large!
A really good speaker can play loud and clear, but also can play low and clear!
 

 

Pay attention to what he's telling you....it's the truth. 

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Excellent, thank you! I suspected there was some cheating going on!
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+1 Ascend 340's across the front with 170's as surrounds, and the Klipsch sub.

Another option (since your room is on the smaller side) ...
Ascend 170's, or Arx A1b's, all the way around with a better (more detailed, accurate) sub like one of the Rythmik or SVS subs? (I have the SVS SB12-NSD and love it.) Both the 170's and the A1b's have more than enough output to fill your room and a nicer sub would improve the sound overall.
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fwiw just another recommandation; 5 boston acoustics a26's $500 accessories4less
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Not exactly sure what you mean by opening up the walls and your garden (?). Need to be more specific... or provide pictures of the room in question. biggrin.gif

Worth the drive if you can do it! Hurry! The 1522k is a hot commodity at $600 for 9.2 channel decoding.

A Denon AVR-3313ci would be the closest thing to the 1222k (7.2 channels with pre-amp outs with about the same amp wattage), but it costs more. If you come up short on the 1522k, Newegg has the 1222k on sale until 5/27. The next best choice for dollar spent.

I'm not sure how deep the speakers need to go but the wall where the screen will be mounted to is separates the room from the garden. I'm going to head up to Costco tomorrow as the Memorial Day traffic was horrible!
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Ascend Acoustics is having a summer sale right now as well and that includes the CMT-340SEs with stands (shipping extra).

I think this just sealed the deal for me. I was hesitant on the 340s mainly because I would have had to buy the stands as well. I'll place the order for those tonight. Thanks for the heads up!
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I think this just sealed the deal for me. I was hesitant on the 340s mainly because I would have had to buy the stands as well. I'll place the order for those tonight. Thanks for the heads up!

Yeah, I was just going to say something about that sale. Somebody beat me to it. biggrin.gif

Use the Ascend HTM-200's as surrounds. The CBM-170's are harder to wall mount and position as they're chunkier depth-wise and rear ported. And FYI you don't have to bury on-wall speakers inside the wall, that's just for in-wall speakers (which are stud depth). If you have fish tape, you can run in-wall rated speaker wire up to your surround locations (if the walls are already finished). Rule of thumb... tweeters of surround speakers should be 2-3 feet above your ears while seated upright (and sides and backs should be mounted at the same height... unless you have tiered seating, which brings up other issues). As these are direct radiating, you'll want to use articulating wall mounts to better aim them down at the listening position.

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+1 340's up front with HTM-200's as surrounds will be a nice setup wink.gif
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Just wanted to provide you guys an update.

I took a looooong drive to the only Costco that still had the 1522k left. I lucked out as there were only two left by the time I showed up. There were four when I called that same morning.

I also placed an order for the Ascend 340s across the fronts and they should arrive on Thursday. Hoping to start setting everything up within the next week or so. Thanks for all the help and recommendations so far!
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Do let us know your progress. Happy listening! smile.gif

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MartinLogan does not use 'tricks' nor do they 'cheat' on their specs...Telling ya...ML is by far, hands down the BEST speaker company there is...IMHO... cool.gif

That's quite the claim...IMHO
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I think you will be happy with the Ascend CMT340s! I have heard those, a lot and really like them. Compared very favorable to my EMPtek towers in a side by side...

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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