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Shady - do you know if the JBL 3677's can be bi-amped?
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I don't know that, but I wouldn't think so. I would send a message to JBL Pro's customer service to see for sure.
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Guys, great rec with the JBL system! They will kick serious butt for their price. For subs you can get dual CHT VS-18.1's and then add a EP-4000 for $1800. The only downside would be size. The total system would cost is $4300. Now what I would do personally is get 5 SEOS kits with the delta pros for $1500 and buy two used DTS-10's here on AVS for $2800 delivered and EP-4000 for a total of $4300! Game set match!

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Yes, I would love to have the 3677's! Those with the 8320 surrounds would be like going to the theater smile.gif

A powerful sub or two and you are there.
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Guys, great rec with the JBL system! They will kick serious butt for their price. For subs you can get dual CHT VS-18.1's and then add a EP-4000 for $1800. The only downside would be size. The total system would cost is $4300. Now what I would do personally is get 5 SEOS kits with the delta pros for $1500 and buy two used DTS-10's here on AVS for $2800 delivered and EP-4000 for a total of $4300! Game set match!

What's the deal with CHT? I sent them an email today asking if they are going out of business, no reply as of yet.
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Three Klipsch KL-650-THX for front stage
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for side surrounds.
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for back surrounds
Subs, dual SVS PB-1000

If back row seating is not too close, then we could look at a direct radiating speakers for the rear surrounds. This would make for a very nice HT system. If you have any questions or would like to discuss, give us a call.

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Am I going to have problems trying to power these JBL 3677 with my Pioneer 1522k , which is 130 watts RMS / Channel ?
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Three Klipsch KL-650-THX for front stage
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for side surrounds.
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for back surrounds
Subs, dual SVS PB-1000

If back row seating is not too close, then we could look at a direct radiating speakers for the rear surrounds. This would make for a very nice HT system. If you have any questions or would like to discuss, give us a call.

OP has a budget of 5k. With just the Klipsch front stage he's 500.00 away from budget give a little back for below retail pricing.
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OP has a budget of 5k. With just the Klipsch front stage he's 500.00 away from budget give a little back for below retail pricing.

I know exactly what they sell for. smile.gif

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Oh you would say that, wouldn't you. wink.gif

Decisions decisions..... PM a price on that setup, please.
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Three Klipsch KL-650-THX for front stage
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for side surrounds.
Two Klipsch RS62 II's for back surrounds
Subs, dual SVS PB-1000

If back row seating is not too close, then we could look at a direct radiating speakers for the rear surrounds. This would make for a very nice HT system. If you have any questions or would like to discuss, give us a call.

Nice setup, but those subs would be pretty sad compared to those speakers. I would go for an all Klipsch package and fit some of those SW-115 subs in there, those things look like they could be real beasts.
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That would be a bangin package.

I'm curious about the dipole speakers. I thought they worked better for rooms with more space on the side and rear of the listener , not less.
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They work better with less space, because they diffuse the sound more, so the speaker isn't blaring right into your ear if you have to sit close to the surround. If you don't have to sit close to the surround speaker, a monopole is better (in my opinion).
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Hmm, interesting, I was looking for a pretty similar budget for speakers in my new living room, but I was thinking in an entirely different direction...

$2000 Ascend Tower pair
$1400 Ascend Horizon + RAAL upgrade
$600 Ascend HTM-200 x4 (wall mounted)
~$1000 sub (not yet decided)

I'm personally not too into loud volume in general or bass more specifically since the kids' rooms are somewhat close, should I still be worrying about spending half my budget on subs? Definitely seems like I should care a lot more about the other speakers... Still want to get a good balance of sound though obviously...

Since no one suggested any of these in this thread am I just missing something? smile.gif

Thanks smile.gif
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They work better with less space, because they diffuse the sound more, so the speaker isn't blaring right into your ear if you have to sit close to the surround. If you don't have to sit close to the surround speaker, a monopole is better (in my opinion).

Center listening seat will be max 6' from ear level to wall. I have no more room, but that should be plenty, no?
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Hmm, interesting, I was looking for a pretty similar budget for speakers in my new living room, but I was thinking in an entirely different direction...

$2000 Ascend Tower pair
$1400 Ascend Horizon + RAAL upgrade
$600 Ascend HTM-200 x4 (wall mounted)
~$1000 sub (not yet decided)

I'm personally not too into loud volume in general or bass more specifically since the kids' rooms are somewhat close, should I still be worrying about spending half my budget on subs? Definitely seems like I should care a lot more about the other speakers... Still want to get a good balance of sound though obviously...

Since no one suggested any of these in this thread am I just missing something? smile.gif

Thanks smile.gif

I'm sorry, I've not read anything about those speakers. DIdn't want you to think I was ignoring you. wink.gif
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Haha no problem smile.gif

I felt kinda bad I didn't have anything to add other than my own (low confidence) setup I'm planning too smile.gif
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Center listening seat will be max 6' from ear level to wall. I have no more room, but that should be plenty, no?

I think that would be fine if you were going to use those JBL surround speakers. You wouldn't want them to get too loud either, so they don't draw attention to themselves.
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Cool thx for your input. You've been very helpful!

Geeze, can't wait until I get to tweak this thing into perfection, after it's all installed. That'll be a 6 month learning process in itself.
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Hmm, interesting, I was looking for a pretty similar budget for speakers in my new living room, but I was thinking in an entirely different direction...

$2000 Ascend Tower pair
$1400 Ascend Horizon + RAAL upgrade
$600 Ascend HTM-200 x4 (wall mounted)
~$1000 sub (not yet decided)

I'm personally not too into loud volume in general or bass more specifically since the kids' rooms are somewhat close, should I still be worrying about spending half my budget on subs? Definitely seems like I should care a lot more about the other speakers... Still want to get a good balance of sound though obviously...

Since no one suggested any of these in this thread am I just missing something? smile.gif

Thanks smile.gif

The speakers being discussed in this thread are high output speakers, and are intended to recreate a big, dynamic Imax THX kind of experience. They are more for a dedicated home theater room, although they wouldn't sound bad for regular listening either, they are just a bit ugly for the living room. Ascends are good for regular volumes, but they aren't made for THX Reference level listening.

One thing I would say is if your towers aren't going to have the RAAL tweeters, don't use it for your center either. Keep the center sound as close to the left/right speakers as possible, and this means use the same drivers for all of them. It's best for the front stage to be timbre matched.

One more thing, if you want to lessen the bass from getting into other parts of the house, think about near-field placement. This is where you place the subwoofer very close to the listening position, like right behind the seat, or right next to it like an endtable. By doing this, you don't need nearly as much bass output to achieve the same loudness at your listening position, since you get hit with so much of the sub's energy right out of the gate. This will lessen the amount of bass heard in nearby rooms- and they will hear the bass, there is no way around that unless you use headphones. My favorite endtable sub- the Hsu VTF3 mk4. Other advantages of near-field placement is since the sub's driver doesn't have to work as hard to hit decent output levels, it will have a lot less distortion. It will also last longer, as less heat is generated, and less movement is required form the driver motor. Another advantage is a more tactile feel, since you and your seat is so close to the woofer it will get a much more direct impact of the air displacement. I recommend near-field placement for every system, but it's a particularly good idea for those who want a nice bass sound but don't want to bother their neighbors very much.
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Thanks everyone for your help.

I'm revisiting the question of the subs again.

Were I to try to stay in the $1000 range, would I be better off with 2x PB10's or 1x PB12?

I'm also looking at possibly getting a single HSU VTF-15H. Would that be better than 2x PB10's?

Any other subs I should look at?

(Note that the Rythmik 15 is going to put me over budget for the system I have in mind)

Thanks for your help.

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Those subs would have miserable dynamics compared to the speakers you are looking at. They just would not keep up at all. If I had $1k for sub/s in a dedicated theater room, I would probably just go for a Hsu VTF15h, that will destroy those subs. Or a bit better, maybe the PSA XS30 if you can swing the extra cash, although I would like to see conformation of the XS30's claimed output. You might also think about dual Hsu VTF2 mk4s, which would run you $1200 shipped, but would cream the SVS systems, although still would come up short with respect to your speakers dynamics (assuming you are getting something like the K10s or JTRs). You could also get three Klipsch RW-12d subs, which would create a great response across all seats. Sometimes Outlaw Audio have their LFM-1 EX sub on sale for $600 shipped, a couple of those would get you great coverage and some pretty good output. To be honest though, $1k for subs just doesn't get you enough commensurate SPL for the kind of speakers you are looking at. You might take a look what I wrote a couple posts above about near-field placement, that is one way to get bigger, punchier bass with a lower budget.
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Thanks everyone for your help.

I'm revisiting the question of the subs again.

Were I to try to stay in the $1000 range, would I be better off with 2x PB10's or 1x PB12?

I'm also looking at possibly getting a single HSU VTF-15H. Would that be better than 2x PB10's?

Any other subs I should look at?

(Note that the Rythmik 15 is going to put me over budget for the system I have in mind)

Thanks for your help.

Best Regards,
Frostpaw

100% go with a VTF-15H vs two lesser subs. You can always add a second one later, but honestly, you may find a single VTF-15H is enough. I has one in a room much bigger than yours and for 99% of people out there, it was more than enough smile.gif
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Thanks everyone for your help.

I'm revisiting the question of the subs again.

Were I to try to stay in the $1000 range, would I be better off with 2x PB10's or 1x PB12?

I'm also looking at possibly getting a single HSU VTF-15H. Would that be better than 2x PB10's?

Any other subs I should look at?

(Note that the Rythmik 15 is going to put me over budget for the system I have in mind)

Thanks for your help.

Best Regards,
Frostpaw

What speakers are you leaning towards?
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I'm currently thinking about the Klipsch setup as suggested by Mike Garrett.

That said, it is on the upper end of my budget and I am open to suggestions if you or others have additional ideas.

Thanks for your help.
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The surround speakers he recommends don't make a lot of sense for a 7.1. Dipole/bipole speakers are intended to create a ambiguous soundstage, but 7.1 has discrete points of surround sound which would be wiped out by dipoles and bipoles for every surround speaker. Not to mention the MSRP on those particular bipole speakers are very disproportionate for surround speakers on a $5k budget. I would steer clear of RS-62s for your setup and also in your budget. The JBLs will be much better for surrounds. Klipsch RB bookshelfs would be good too, and if you wanted to save some money, use Hsu bookshelf speakers, which would work well also.
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The surround speakers are a bit puzzling.

The THX website has an image of a 7.1 system with what look to be dipoles for surround left and right:
http://www.thx.com/consumer/home-entertainment/home-theater/surround-sound-speaker-set-up/

That said, I can see your point about lack of directionallity with this configuration, and of course there's the additional cost associated.

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Remember that the JBL surrounds are THX certified where the Klipsch RS-62s are not. Also remember that surround channel programming is not mixed on bipole or dipole speakers, they are mixed on monopole speakers. For the most accurate and highest fidelity playback, good monopoles are the way to go.
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Also to note. In talking with some peeps at a JBL dealer the guy told me he's heard systems like the one you linked to. It has the rear surrounds in the back close together. He said this was worse sounding than the DD recommendation of rear surrounds being 150* to the rear of the listener.

This is DD recommendation - http://www.dolby.com/us/en/consumer/setup/connection-guide/home-theater-speaker-guide/index.html

Just a bit of info I acquired in my short time researching.

What were you quoted on the Klipsch setup? Curious..... I could afford to go higher than the PB1000s Craig recommended, but the price would have to had to come down quite a bit to fit your budget even with the PB 1000
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JTR LRC

Used market for surrounds, dipoles for the side surrounds

A used $600 Servodrive Contrabass plus a suitable amp to drive it.
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