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I like my 2031ps but I would not use them to chase after reference sound. Remember they are intended for near-field use.
How about nearfield (3 feet) at reference level?.
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How about nearfield (3 feet) at reference level?.

At 3 feet I would think they could hit 105 dB peaks cleanly, so I believe so, yes.
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I'm considering The Behringers's(2030p) as well. I'm gonna wall mount my plasma and go with a 3.1 system for now. I already have a Polk subwoofer. I've read that matching L+R speakers with the same center is the best way to go. Do the 2030p's have an accompanying center? If not(I didn't see one) what would match them well for center channel? I'm considering the Marantz NR1403 for my receiver. Any other recommendations there? I'm looking to spend $400 or less on AVR.


The B2031'a seem to sound good when placed on their side, so they are their own center channel speaker.

Last night I was listening to a system with 9 2031As, all laying on their side. Sounded great. There were 2 massive subs, as well.

The claim is that that their unusually good dispersion (documented above) makes them far better speakers than most for mounting on their side.
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Since I own a bunch of 2030Ps, I could, I suppose, dig out my multimeter, and measure DC resistance myself...crude measure compared to the graphed data above, but would it be sufficient to settle the matter?


Did this, applying the probes to the +/- rear posts, and the reading (analog) was 6 ohm, which I understand is normal for 8 ohm speakers measured this way. I don't own any 2031Ps for comparison.
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The B2031'a seem to sound good when placed on their side, so they are their own center channel speaker.

Last night I was listening to a system with 9 2031As, all laying on their side. Sounded great. There were 2 massive subs, as well.

The claim is that that their unusually good dispersion (documented above) makes them far better speakers than most for mounting on their side.
Is that a home theater setup? How far are the speakers from your listening position? What is the playback volume (#dB)?
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Here is a measurement of the vertical off-axis for the 2031p, it doesn't look bad at all, although I wouldn't think it's as optimal as the horizontal off axis. Measurements are +15 degrees, 0 degrees, -15 degrees.

It would probably do fine, but likely not as good as its intended orientation.
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Blue is 0, the other two -/+ 15? I imagine a 5dB dip in the 2k region could noticeable. Maybe DSP could fix?
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I don't think DSP could do anything to fix that without making something else worse. If you were going to listen to this speaker on its side, you will want to be on axis. I have seen worse horizontal off-axis measurements though.
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The B2031'a seem to sound good when placed on their side, so they are their own center channel speaker.

Last night I was listening to a system with 9 2031As, all laying on their side. Sounded great. There were 2 massive subs, as well.

The claim is that that their unusually good dispersion (documented above) makes them far better speakers than most for mounting on their side.
Is that a home theater setup?

Yes,
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How far are the speakers from your listening position?

The front center is about 10 feet, and the front L&R are about 15 feet if memory serves. There are also 5 or 6 other speakers in surround duty over a similar range of distances. The system is used for both video and music.
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What is the playback volume (#dB)?

With large system like this, whatever the listener's want! The two subwoofers each contain 2 ca. 15" JL audio drivers back-to-back powered by an amp farm on its own 230 volt 30 amp circuit, in the basement totaling out at 5 KW or so.
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I don't think DSP could do anything to fix that without making something else worse. If you were going to listen to this speaker on its side, you will want to be on axis. I have seen worse horizontal off-axis measurements though.

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Tell the truth I've seen many many on-axis response curves that were far worse. The speakers are soffit-mounted and not aimed down if I remember things right. The system is equalized for the desired response at the sweet spot with a combination of measured and listened-in tweaks. The owner has designed well-regarded consumer speaker systems with total sales of a few 100.000s.
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Here is a measurement of the vertical off-axis for the 2031p, it doesn't look bad at all, although I wouldn't think it's as optimal as the horizontal off axis. Measurements are +15 degrees, 0 degrees, -15 degrees.

It would probably do fine, but likely not as good as its intended orientation.

The system's owner likes to yank my chain and criticize my use of center channel speakers for LCR, and my retort is "At least I'm using my speakers in their preferred orientation." His system sounds far better than mine. I'm fighting a losing battle because his listening room is large and conventional, and the walls in mine are about 40% glass.
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agree with you,You would have to go pretty nuts with them to cause actual problems. I would't want to run five of them on a entry level receiver at watch a movie at reference level.

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Yes,
The front center is about 10 feet, and the front L&R are about 15 feet if memory serves. There are also 5 or 6 other speakers in surround duty over a similar range of distances. The system is used for both video and music.
With large system like this, whatever the listener's want! The two subwoofers each contain 2 ca. 15" JL audio drivers back-to-back powered by an amp farm on its own 230 volt 30 amp circuit, in the basement totaling out at 5 KW or so.
How old are those B2031A speakers? Are those Behringer amp (built-in inside speaker) reliable? I know active crossover is better than passive one...hence the B2031A sounds amazing to you, but I'm just worried about the reliability of the internal amp...especially when driven loud in movies with huge dynamics.
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The front center is about 10 feet, and the front L&R are about 15 feet if memory serves. There are also 5 or 6 other speakers in surround duty over a similar range of distances. The system is used for both video and music.
With large system like this, whatever the listener's want! The two subwoofers each contain 2 ca. 15" JL audio drivers back-to-back powered by an amp farm on its own 230 volt 30 amp circuit, in the basement totaling out at 5 KW or so.
How old are those B2031A speakers?

Couple-three maybe 4 years. Remember, this is not my system so while I saw it go together my memory of it is not perfect.
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Are those Behringer amp (built-in inside speaker) reliable?

Seems to be. I know a number of people who have bought them and recall no failures at all.
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I know active crossover is better than passive one...hence the B2031A sounds amazing to you, but I'm just worried about the reliability of the internal amp...especially when driven loud in movies with huge dynamics.

I believe there are internal power limiters fo some kind.
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Behringer isn't known for reliability in electronics. I would go passive if you intend to drive your speakers hard.
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Behringer isn't known for reliability in electronics. I would go passive if you intend to drive your speakers hard.


Yeah, sort of. Behringer uses contract manufacturing so different batches of a given model are made in different factories, but each batch comes from the same place.

Therefore there are good batches and bad batches and if you get a good batch or a product that has never run afoul of a bad factory you are good. The B203x seems to have been that way.

DCX 2496s, not so much! :-(
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I'm confused. Whose system does Shadyj's graph belong to? Whose system is Arny talking about?
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That graph is from Zaph, it isn't from a system so much as it is a naked response.
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Did you get a chance to compare LSR308s with 2031s ?

Actually only by memory (and we all know reliable that is eek.gif ) they had the JBL's in the store and I have the 2031P's at home. I only listened to the Yamaha's and JBL's at the store . The max SPL mfr specification is the same btw.

Hard to say a shelf at Guitar center is a long way from a treated room my impression is the JBL's have a little more impact and clarity.
as did the even more expensive Yammies ofc both are powered also .The JBL's are Bi amped so I'm assuming no passive x overs .


IMO the Behringers are hard to beat in price range and better than most home speakers at least that I have heard for well over twice the money .

4 or five of those should make a lot of decent sound especially with some distributed bass ( 2 Subs ) I have 2 paired with 2 10" powered subs they are pretty good all in all they sound much better than the Pioneers or any tower speaker under a few hundred IMO. .

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I didn't really look at the lie sheets that much the JBLs have a broader freq response according to the spec. I haven't seen any independent measurements good reviews though.

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Thanks. Once you receive the LSR308s it would be an easy comparison at your place.
Btw , till few days back, the 308s were actually cheaper than 2031As on Amazon...

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I will compare them I post back with my impressions and maybe write some sort or review and post it in the AVS review section as well.

keep us posted on your progress.

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As the OP I wish I could give a better review of these but my experience is so limited that I don't feel qualified. I have been using the 2030ps for my LCR for two years now and love the clarity and sound they produce. My room is 13x16.5 with DIY acoustic panels on the sides and rear of the room. I strongly feel that these are a great choice for a beginner who wants more than a HT in a box can provide.

Btw I drive them only with a refurbished Denon 2312CI

I look forward to a more trained ear review and hope that you post the link to the review here so I dont miss it. Thanks!

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I had got the following freq responses from SonicSense (http://www.sonicsense.com/blog/studio-monitors/studio-monitor-comparison#.Us-WUvQW18F) on a thread on http://www.gearslutz.com/

2031 : blue
JBL : orange

http://imgur.com/a/4xVnG

Though they are in room measurements in their room

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Are 2030P measurement graphs on the Internet anywhere for viewing?
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Are 2030P measurement graphs on the Internet anywhere for viewing?

Not that I know of. AFAIK the B2030 and B2031 tweeters are pretty much the same. The passive and active versions might be a little different as well.
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There are measurements over at home theater shack. I'll be damned if I am going hunting for them right now though, but a couple google searches out to get you there. And yes, the 2030 and 2031 should be a lot alike. if anything the 2030 off axis FR might be a tad better as the 2031's larger woofer might not have quite as good dispersion higher up the frequency range. I doubt anyone would ever be able to tell the difference outside of the bass extension though.
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Anybody listened to both 2031A and Yamaha HS8s ? I read that HS8s have a pretty flat freq response too..

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Much good advice.

This area of small, prosumer monitors is such a high value, well vetted group, offering solid performance for the price. This market segment is so über competitive, us consumers win big time. Not just these inexpensive Behringers, but on up to the more expensive offerings like the Mackies, and others. Great stuff, pick the ones best suited to you.

A simple 2 channel system, or 2.1, 5.1, on up to a 7 channel multi-sub system, could be assembled with many of these quite easily ... with a nice coherence around channel to channel.

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Anybody got to compare Behringer 103x with 203x series side by side ?

As per measurements here, 1031A is more flatter than 2031A
http://www.bonedo.de/artikel/einzelansicht/testmarathon-nahfeldmonitore-bis-1000-eur/2.html

Around 12 speakers compared here

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