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so here is the sad fact... i think im growing out of cerwin vegas speakers. it started when i saw legacy audios focus SE, and im hooked. there is no way i can go back now. im saving up for as long as it takes.

now, since im new to HIFI products, i have a few questions.
i want to power the SEs with 300-500 watts rms with a single amp or two mono blocks(one for each speaker) so will a power amp and a surround sound receiver be good? i want to use for 2ch listening, and HT so what are the best receivers with the best quality audio and the least static when turned up? what power amp will be best. i cant afford Mcintosh... i know i want 7.1, with a 120in projector screen, and the center behind the screen, and acoustic panels covering 85% of the walls, and the same for the celling. heres the speakers i have picked out, but im not sure what to use to drive the speakers to get the best sound

http://www.legacyaudio.com/products/view/focus-se/

http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/uls-15Dual.html

now, just the amps and stuff is left. i only know the cost of the towers, and my budget is 15 grand. what are the best sounding center and surrounds for the price?

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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The owners manual for those Focus SE speakers has some tips for amplification. Theses are 4ohm speakers. Any amp similar to http://www.audioadvisor.com/prodinfo.asp?number=PAHA21 would do well, I'd imagine.

I only mention parasound because they have been in my sights for a while but I'm combing the used market. I'm sure there are many great choices.
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... i want to power the SEs with 300-500 watts rms with a single amp or two mono blocks(one for each speaker) ...
Emotiva XPA-2
- 500W RMS per channel @ 4 ohm (0.1% THD)
- 300W RMS per channel @ 8 ohm (0.1% THD)
- $799
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Emotiva XPA-2
- 500W RMS per channel @ 4 ohm (0.1% THD)
- 300W RMS per channel @ 8 ohm (0.1% THD)
- $799

wow thats really nice. and i like the price! but what receiver? i need the receiver to have audiophile sound quality because i will be using this for 2ch listening also

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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wow thats really nice. and i like the price! but what receiver? i need the receiver to have audiophile sound quality because i will be using this for 2ch listening also

You could look at the Marantz AV8801.
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i need the receiver to have audiophile sound quality because i will be using this for 2ch listening also
Any good receiver will have "audiophile sound quality". The well-equipped Marantz SR5007 ($850 at BestBuy.com) will do very nicely.
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IMO the only way you will anything close to "audiophile sound quality" in an HT receiver is to get the Cambridge Audio 751R receiver, which runs $2700.

It has plenty of power to drive ANY speakers with no additional amplifiers required. It also has by far the best sound QUALITY of any receiver on the market IMO.

If you check out the reviews of Cambridge Audio receivers in Home Theater magazine, you will find that they also find the Cambridge sound quality superior to other receivers, so that is not just MY opinion.

For speakers, I suggest that you consider the PSB Synchrony One speakers for the front ($4200/pair), and the matching PSB Synchrony One Center speaker for $2100. A pair of Synchrony B speakers, for $2400, will complete the set.

IMO these are better speakers than you were considering, and a matched 5-speaker set. You want a matched set from the same manufacturer.

The NHT B12D subwoofer is exceptionally good, and only $700.
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IMO the only way you will anything close to "audiophile sound quality" is to get the Cambridge Audio 651R receiver ... It also has by far the best sound QUALITY of any receiver on the market IMO.
That's quite the bold, definitive statement to make, seeing as how:
- it's unlikely you've auditioned every receiver on the market; and, more importantly,
- sound quality is subjective.
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That's quite the bold, definitive statement to make, seeing as how:
- it's unlikely you've auditioned every receiver on the market; and, more importantly,
- sound quality is subjective.
Since he said it was his opinion, it is by definition subjective and neither bold or definitive.

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IMO the only way you will anything close to "audiophile sound quality" in an HT receiver is to get the Cambridge Audio 751R receiver, which runs $2700.

It has plenty of power to drive ANY speakers with no additional amplifiers required. It also has by far the best sound QUALITY of any receiver on the market IMO.

If you check out the reviews of Cambridge Audio receivers in Home Theater magazine, you will find that they also find the Cambridge sound quality superior to other receivers, so that is not just MY opinion.

For speakers, I suggest that you consider the PSB Synchrony One speakers for the front ($4200/pair), and the matching PSB Synchrony One Center speaker for $2100. A pair of Synchrony B speakers, for $2400, will complete the set.

IMO these are better speakers than you were considering, and a matched 5-speaker set. You want a matched set from the same manufacturer.

The NHT B12D subwoofer is exceptionally good, and only $700.

after looking at those speakers, im still liking the legacy focus SEs more. how good are bowers and wilkins for the same price?

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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I recently talked to Michael Kelly owner of Aerial Acoustics and he's coming out w/a new 6T speaker. Basically a smaller version of his 7T at the end of the year. He also has a new CC-3C center to match. I would also consider the LR5's w/a CC-5 center. In that case bring plenty of power, you'll need separates, smile.gif
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That's quite the bold, definitive statement to make, seeing as how:
- it's unlikely you've auditioned every receiver on the market; and, more importantly,
- sound quality is subjective.

Agreed. Very difficult to accept such strong generalizations about one receiver being far and above the best. Particularly in this instance since the OP will be using separate amps. Extremely doubtful the other poster has heard all these other receivers with the amps under discussion.

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Since he said it was his opinion, it is by definition subjective and neither bold or definitive.
Given that he did say "IMO", I was wrong to suggest that his statement was bold and definitive in an objective sense. I retract that part of my comment and sincerely apologize for my error.

Given that he did say "It also has by far the best sound QUALITY of any receiver on the market ... ", I was not wrong to suggest that his statement was bold and definitive. I stand behind that part of my comment*.

(*Unless, of course, he is able to prove that he has auditioned every receiver on the market, in which case I will gladly retract and apologize for that part of my comment as well.)
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i know i want 7.1, with a 120in projector screen, and the center behind the screen, and acoustic panels covering 85% of the walls, and the same for the celling.

Could be kinda cramped in the bedroom of your parents house?
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im talkin when i get my own house. not really that far away...

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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