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im looking for a hifi set up, and i was lookin at legacy audio but its not worth it right now and im going to wait a bit. but i was looking to get some nice speakers. i have the speakers narrowed down to just two different pairs, and i was wondering which ones were nicer.

http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/floorstanding/paradigm-reference/studio-series/studio-60

http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/Studio-L890/STUDIO%20L890_JBL_US?skuId=L890-H_JBL_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly

and also i was going to get this stereo receiver

http://www.harmankardon.com/estore/hk/us/products/HK-3390/HK%203390_HK_US?skuId=HK%203390_HK_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly

this power amp

http://shop.emotiva.com/products/xpa2

and a basic cd changer and good wires. also, the room will be acoustically treated\

and what about the jbl es90? they are onsale for only 250 a piece, and thats a good deal. im using for music only

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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I love my Paradigm Studio 20s so my opinion would be very biased on the speakers. I think I would consider getting the 20s and a good sub over getting the 60s and skip the amp all together. The HK would have plenty of power for you if you have a sub so the money would be better spent on a sub. Even if you get the 60s I would still skip the amp for a sub. The 100s might be ok without a sub depending on what music you listen to but I don't think the 60s would work well without one.
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What about the jbls

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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What about the jbls

Never been a fan myself. I went with the studios so my pick is obvious. Have you listened to either? Everybody has different taste so it depends on what you like. The JBLs that I've heard were always too bright for my taste. I prefer a more neutral sound like Paradigm.
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Never been a fan myself. I went with the studios so my pick is obvious. Have you listened to either? Everybody has different taste so it depends on what you like. The JBLs that I've heard were always too bright for my taste. I prefer a more neutral sound like Paradigm.

ive been doing some searching and im going with the paradigms and the hk amp. would you suggest the step up from the hk im getting or will the emotiva sound better?

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I own the HK 3390 and it sounds very good. If you feel like you are needing just a little bit better, you could do the HK 3490. 120 watts/channel instead of the 80/channel in the 3390. Unless you have an unusually large room or want insane amounts of volume, my guess is you could be very happy with either of the HKs. Nice thing about the 3490 is that it has a built in DAC and digital input for connecting another audio device. For example, you could hook your computer up to it. Or a PS3.

If you go with the XPA-2, you also need to buy a preamp to go with it. That's a straight power amp without any volume control or switching method between multiple devices. Need a preamp for that functionality. In fact, a stereo receiver like the HK 3390 is a preamp, amplifier, and radio tuner just built into one unit.

If you go with the 3390 or 3490 and later on decide you want more power, you can use the HK as a preamp and hook up a power amp like the XPA-2 to it.

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I like the Paradigm 60's. Great speakers.
Go with the HK 3490, you will probably
Not need the Emotiva amp, HK power
Is superb!
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... i have the speakers narrowed down to just two different pairs, and i was wondering which ones were nicer.
http://www.paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/floorstanding/paradigm-reference/studio-series/studio-60

http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/Studio-L890/STUDIO%20L890_JBL_US?skuId=L890-H_JBL_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly
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and what about the jbl es90? they are onsale for only 250 a piece ...
JBLs at $250 and $400 each...and Paradigm Studio 60s that run over $2,000/pr. That's a hell of a budget range! Get the Studios. smile.gif
I can understand getting an AVR with pre-outputs, using it for stereo and then adding an external amp when you start adding speakers and a sub for multi-channel audio...but since you're running stereo, why would you get a stereo receiver plus an external amp instead of just getting a good stereo receiver? confused.gif
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I can understand getting an AVR with pre-outputs, using it for stereo and then adding an external amp when yo start adding speakers and a sub for multi-channel audio...but since you're running stereo, why would you get a stereo receiver and an external amp? confused.gif

The HK receivers are just like many integrated amps and do have pre-out and main-in connections. For whatever reason, HK decided to put tuners in their integrated amps and call them receivers smile.gif

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Sure, but I just don't see the point of getting a stereo receiver with an external amp, especially with the speakers he's eyeing.

If his plan is to stick to stereo, he likely won't need an external amp (and if he does, he can buy one later on). If he's planning to do multi-channel at some point, he may as well get a good AVR now and use it for stereo - rather than buy a stereo receiver and have to replace it - and if he ever needs an external amp, he can add one when the time comes.

For the ~$1,000 bucks it'll cost him for the HK and the Emo, he could snag a Marantz SR5007, have a great AVR, be future-proofed for multi-channel...and put some money back into his pocket.

Maybe I'm just missing something here...
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If you want JBLs, the Studio 590 should be the starting point of consideration. It is designed along the lines of their ultra high end speakers, not like the cheap stuff you're looking at. It's also closer to the price of the Paradigm.
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JBLs at $250 and $400 each...and Paradigm Studio 60s that run over $2,000/pr. That's a hell of a budget range! Get the Studios. smile.gif
I can understand getting an AVR with pre-outputs, using it for stereo and then adding an external amp when you start adding speakers and a sub for multi-channel audio...but since you're running stereo, why would you get a stereo receiver plus an external amp instead of just getting a good stereo receiver? confused.gif

what!? my searches said the studios went for about 1.2 grand. thats bull. now they are out of budget.mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

if i can get 120 for the vs120s plus the one ls12, 100 for the at12, 70 for my subs, 50 for my jbls, 150 for my receiver, thats around 500 bucks. plus, ill get money this summer (cutting grass or something) i should have enough for some nice jbls. or, what other speakers would give great sound for around a grand?(per pair)

hey i just found these. never even heard of them. they look decent. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TX550TC/Polk-Audio-TSx550T-Cherry.html

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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Where did you see Paradigm Studio 60s for $1.2K...LOL hopefully it wasn't
One of those grey market sites, they will take your money an run,
I never really like the sound of Polks,but many people like their
Higher end models.

My comment regarding Polk entry/mid level speakers is that
People on this forum are always looking to upgrade/replace/ improve
Their sound. This is what I noticed from reading this forum for 4 years now.
You get what you pay for.

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Sure, but I just don't see the point of getting a stereo receiver with an external amp, especially with the speakers he's eyeing.

If his plan is to stick to stereo, he likely won't need an external amp (and if he does, he can buy one later on). If he's planning to do multi-channel at some point, he may as well get a good AVR now and use it for stereo - rather than buy a stereo receiver and have to replace it - and if he ever needs an external amp, he can add one when the time comes.

For the ~$1,000 bucks it'll cost him for the HK and the Emo, he could snag a Marantz SR5007, have a great AVR, be future-proofed for multi-channel...and put some money back into his pocket.

Maybe I'm just missing something here...

For some reason I thought you said the HK didn't have pre-outs??? I guess I'm confused confused.gifsmile.gif

I agree that I don't understand the idea of buying both. The HK should be fine. And if the OP definitely wants more power, then why not go with a separate dedicated pre-amp.

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plus, ill get money this summer (cutting grass or something) i should have enough for some nice jbls. or, what other speakers would give great sound for around a grand?(per pair)

In 2 or 3 months, the best options for your money could/will likely have changed. Best to wait until you save up the cash to worry about this.

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what!? my searches said the studios went for about 1.2 grand. thats bull. now they are out of budget.mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

if i can get 120 for the vs120s plus the one ls12, 100 for the at12, 70 for my subs, 50 for my jbls, 150 for my receiver, thats around 500 bucks. plus, ill get money this summer (cutting grass or something) i should have enough for some nice jbls. or, what other speakers would give great sound for around a grand?(per pair)

hey i just found these. never even heard of them. they look decent. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TX550TC/Polk-Audio-TSx550T-Cherry.html

You're all over the place. Studio 60's, Polk TSx550T, JBL's. Might as well throw these Focals into the mix too.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL814V/FOCAL-Chorus-814V-716v-Dual-6-Floorstanding-Speakers-Gloss-Black-Pair/1.html


Get the HK 3490 instead of the 3390. You may value the digital inputs later.

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In 2 or 3 months, the best options for your money could/will likely have changed. Best to wait until you save up the cash to worry about this.

I have to agree with this and add in my 2 cents. Sell your old speakers,
work your job(s),save up "X" amount of dollars and then post here when
you are ready to BUY!

It seems like we are on a merry-go-round until you have
some cash to be able to make a purchase.

If we know how much you save, then it will be a lot more
fun and interesting for all of us to help you spend your money!
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what!? my searches said the studios went for about 1.2 grand. thats bull. now they are out of budget.mad.gifmad.gifmad.gif

if i can get 120 for the vs120s plus the one ls12, 100 for the at12, 70 for my subs, 50 for my jbls, 150 for my receiver, thats around 500 bucks. plus, ill get money this summer (cutting grass or something) i should have enough for some nice jbls. or, what other speakers would give great sound for around a grand?(per pair)

hey i just found these. never even heard of them. they look decent. http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TX550TC/Polk-Audio-TSx550T-Cherry.html

Get money cutting grass? Does that pay well in your neck of the woods? What happened to 2 jobs, moving out and getting your own place?
Obviously your plans have changed.rolleyes.gif
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If you dont buy the emotiva amp you should be fine. Honestly the 120watts from the HK will be enough power. going from 120-300 watts will be like a 3-4db increase in volume. From my reading the paradigms are not overly difficult to drive either so I think youll be fine.
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Get money cutting grass? Does that pay well in your neck of the woods? What happened to 2 jobs, moving out and getting your own place?
Obviously your plans have changed.rolleyes.gif

i had to quit one of my jobs

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You're all over the place. Studio 60's, Polk TSx550T, JBL's. Might as well throw these Focals into the mix too.
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL814V/FOCAL-Chorus-814V-716v-Dual-6-Floorstanding-Speakers-Gloss-Black-Pair/1.html


Get the HK 3490 instead of the 3390. You may value the digital inputs later.

im all over the place... how am i all over the place? I'm looking for good speakers within my budget, so those are the ones im looking at. i didnt know the studio 60s were 2 grand. i thought they were 1k.

here are the speakers im looking at
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_107TX550TC/Polk-Audio-TSx550T-Cherry.html
http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/Studio-570/STUDIO%20570_JBL_US?skuId=STUDIO%20570BK_JBL_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_714RF62IIC/Klipsch-Reference-RF-62-II-Cherry.html
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_760IMGT5B/PSB-Image-T5-Black-Ash.html
http://www.crutchfield.com/p_735BP6/Definitive-Technology-BP6B.html
http://paradigm.com/products/products-by-category/bookshelf/paradigm-reference/studio-series/studio-20
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Bowers+and+Wilkins+-+6-1/2%22+2-1/2-Way+Floorstanding+Speaker+(Each)+-+Black+Ash+Vinyl/1290564.p?id=1218247968044&skuId=1290564&st=bowers%20and%20wilkins&cp=2&lp=5
http://www.jbl.com/estore/jbl/us/products/Studio-L830/STUDIO%20L830_JBL_US?skuId=L830-H_JBL_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly

for the bookshelf speakers, i was looking at this sub
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-1mk2.html

this receiver
http://www.harmankardon.com/estore/hk/us/products/HK-3490/HK%203490_HK_US?skuId=HK%203490_HK_US&searchMode=regularProductOnly

-speakers: cerwin vega vs120s, cerwin vega LS12s, cerwin vega at12s, jbl S36II, pok audio psw10, realistic mc1000, paradigm 7se MKII, sanyo sx600

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Actually you are all over the place. Weren't you just asking about megabuck Legacies and other high dollar equipment in another thread just the other day?
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Something to consider if you go with a stereo bookshelf/sub setup, only HT receivers have bass management. So while there are sub outputs on the stereo gear, it is simply sending a signal to the subs. The easiest way to integrate a setup like this is with front speakers that are sealed, and have a natural roll off in the 60-80hz region. The native 2nd order roll off of a sealed box in this range will allow you to easily integrated the 2nd order low pass filter of a sub without a HT receiver doing it all for you. An example would be a pair of speakers like this:

http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=301-960

If you use ported speakers tuned lower, you will have to try and bring the subs in below the tuning point of the speakers, which will be a 4th order roll off.

Without measurements, it can take some effort to properly integrate subs into a 2 channel setup properly, regardless of the setup.
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Actually you are all over the place. Weren't you just asking about megabuck Legacies and other high dollar equipment in another thread just the other day?

yes, but that would take a year to save up for. this i could get in a couple months.

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Buy entry level Ascend.

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What about the jbls

The technical reviews I've read of of JBL-branded consumer speakers by Harman don't seem to be really encouraging. However, the more-or-less competitive Infinity Primus speakers also from Harman (probably made in some of the same factories and perhaps composed of even some of the same drivers) seem to do better. Revel speakers seem to share at least some designs, frame sizes, features, etc. and also perform well, but at a price.

And, what constitutes a brand - are JBL, Revel, and Infinity the same brand or what?

The point being that the same or similar components coming out of the same factories can or end up being assembled into speaker systems with varying sound quality. How can you make brand-wide generalities, particularly when what constitutes a brand can seems vague?
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The studio 20s are around 1300 so that would be closer to your budget. Get some used v3 or v4 and they will be much cheaper. Also check out the Sierra 1.
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html
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The studio 20s are around 1300 so that would be closer to your budget. Get some used v3 or v4 and they will be much cheaper. Also check out the Sierra 1.
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRM1/srm1.html

+1, defiantly check out the Sierra 1 speakers. They are great value.
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