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post #31 of 45 Old 07-12-2013, 06:36 PM
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Wow, you just want to argue, don't you?

Did I revive the thread that has laid dormant for a month with an argument? Have I been arguing with myself? LOL

Still the argument is not very good. Now that I went and read the original text, you omitted an important point from that guys quote, "once you get to the more expensive receivers (thousands of dollars) . . . ."

If someone agrees with what he is saying about receivers in that paragraph you quoted (with the missing text included), they can also buy the UMC200 and an XPA-5 or XPR-5. It's not the great argument for active monitors he (and you) make it out to be. It is a reasonable argument against spending thousands of dollars on a receiver. Passive or active setups are equally viable options under that argument.

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Take a look at www.audiostream.com, there is a roundup of several quality powered speakers for various budgets you can hook up to a PC without the need for an amp or a receiver (the KEF X300A Lee Weber mentions among them).
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If the speakers are hooked up to a PC, why would one need an amp or a pre-amp for DSP? Most PC's today have onboard sound capable of DD, DTS, EQ, etc.

I would have to agree that good quality self-powered speakers are a perfectly viable solution and can be on par with a passive speaker/ amp set-up. More versatile too in terms of upgrading in the future such as soundcard, rather than having to purchase a whole new amp because Dolby or someone comes up with something new.

You should check out Audioengine while you're at it, and Emotiva Airmotiv. I have a pair of Paradigm Shift A2's I am super happy with, they run between 560 - 660 depending on the finish. My soundcard does all the digital signal processing I need and the built in DSP of the Paradigm's is just sugar on top.
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Did I revive the thread that has laid dormant for a month with an argument? Have I been arguing with myself? LOL

Reviving a thread means posting something new in an old thread (thus "reviving" it and bumping it), not quoting something from another thread from a different forum. Besides, the thread he posted from is only about a month old, so it's hardly outdated.
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Reviving a thread means posting something new in an old thread (thus "reviving" it and bumping it), not quoting something from another thread from a different forum. Besides, the thread he posted from is only about a month old, so it's hardly outdated.

Who said anything about outdated??? What is the difference between reviving a dormant conversation with new information and new information from another forum?

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Had he posted in the original thread, he would been reviving that thread (and at being only a month old, I would dispute even that). But he didn't do that. He quoted information he believed to be relevant to this topic from that thread. I'd hardly call that "reviving" an old thread, lol rolleyes.gif
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Who said old? Reread the sentence I wrote. Revive also means to restore to use or activity. The sentence works fine in this context.

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I am thinking I may be better going with the amp or preamp & bookshelf speaker route. I just don't know how to start a good 2.0 or 2.1 system.

I hear things like "matching" a receiver/amp with the right kind of speakers, cause this affects the way sound being outputted from the speakers. Some terms I came across were; "laid back", dynamic, soft, "fast and attacking", "detailed", etc.

I would rather go with the less minimalist approach and likely go with a Hi-Fi setup.

I know I would be using these speakers in an environment where I am 10-12 ft away from the TV, AND also when i am on the computer-- so likely nearfield listening and usage.

I am willing to add another 200-400 for an amp, preamp or receiver.

Any recommendations for used or sale items for amps and such? Also, for speakers, I want something that isn't too large physically (but it has to be a legit Two-Way design), looks sexy/aesthetically pleasing and can make music sound good like recordings or live recordings from CDs and DVDs.
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Actually cel4145 is correct... he means this thread. And I did revive it because I wasn't paying attention and I didn't look at the date. Regardless of whether what I said was relevant or valid. Cebron, you thought he was talking about the thread I quoted from - that thread is also about a month old.

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Wow. Seems like finding an argument for the sake of arguing is in flavor these days. I'm not sure why it's justified in this case. The only difference is power source, in the end they are still speakers, the same characteristics still apply, the same audition process necessary.

I listened to a bunch of both active and passive speakers about 18 months ago for a nearfield setup. For this use case there were far more active monitors than passive that appealed to me, if I were to generalize (and possibly support Arny's 'potential' argument) accuracy and clarity of midrange were easier to achieve with active monitors. Few passives in my auditions passed my own ears' testing.

In the end I went the passive route but it had nothing to do with speaker type but rather scalability. It forced me to listen to more speakers before choosing, never a bad thing.

Find a Guitar Center and listen to some speakers. Horrible place to audition BTW but at least you can hear speakers. Then bring some home and see how they do.

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I am thinking I may be better going with the amp or preamp & bookshelf speaker route. I just don't know how to start a good 2.0 or 2.1 system.

I hear things like "matching" a receiver/amp with the right kind of speakers, cause this affects the way sound being outputted from the speakers. Some terms I came across were; "laid back", dynamic, soft, "fast and attacking", "detailed", etc.

I would rather go with the less minimalist approach and likely go with a Hi-Fi setup.

I know I would be using these speakers in an environment where I am 10-12 ft away from the TV, AND also when i am on the computer-- so likely nearfield listening and usage.

I am willing to add another 200-400 for an amp, preamp or receiver.

Any recommendations for used or sale items for amps and such? Also, for speakers, I want something that isn't too large physically (but it has to be a legit Two-Way design), looks sexy/aesthetically pleasing and can make music sound good like recordings or live recordings from CDs and DVDs.

Choose a receiver or AVR (I prefer the latter) based on features. The "matching" for sound characteristics is hogwash. There are great sales on last year's models in your price range, either new or refurbished. And plan for a decent subwoofer. There won't be many nearfield acceptable speakers that will deliver sufficient bass, and for tv viewing you'll appreciate it.

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Actually cel4145 is correct... he means this thread. And I did revive it because I wasn't paying attention and I didn't look at the date. Regardless of whether what I said was relevant or valid. Cebron, you thought he was talking about the thread I quoted from - that thread is also about a month old.

I didn't think you did anything wrong with posting a month later. Just giving you a hard time about the arguing comment smile.gif

Looks like it worked out well, too, since the OP is ready to discuss again.

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Choose a receiver or AVR (I prefer the latter) based on features. The "matching" for sound characteristics is hogwash. There are great sales on last year's models in your price range, either new or refurbished. And plan for a decent subwoofer. There won't be many nearfield acceptable speakers that will deliver sufficient bass, and for tv viewing you'll appreciate it.

Agreed.

You can also look at your local Craiglist for a used Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Harman Kardon, or Pioneer receiver (I would avoid Sony).

You had previously said that you wanted Paradigm, Monitor Audio, or B&W. Any place near you to give them a listen?

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I didn't think you did anything wrong with posting a month later. Just giving you a hard time about the arguing comment smile.gif

Looks like it worked out well, too, since the OP is ready to discuss again.

I apologize. For what it's worth, I had a rough day at work, was severely sleep deprived and I clearly wasn't thinking. The arguing comment was clearly not ok!

I still think my post has validity and that HiFi quality sound can easily be achieved with active speakers, especially when hooked up to a PC capable of sound-processing, but I also agree that passive speakers are equally viable with a amp/ Mini amp as has been mentioned.

Either way, it looks like the OP made a decision and is moving beyond the original question now. smile.gif

BestInTheWorld, what kind of setup do you have and what will your main use for the speakers be? (ie, music, movies, gaming..?) As for set-up, you have mentioned both PC and TV, how is the PC hooked up to the TV? (HDMI, Toslink, DVI..?) And your budget is 500-600 for speakers plus 200-400 for an amp?
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Agreed.

You can also look at your local Craiglist for a used Onkyo, Yamaha, Denon, Harman Kardon, or Pioneer receiver (I would avoid Sony).

You had previously said that you wanted Paradigm, Monitor Audio, or B&W. Any place near you to give them a listen?[/quote

I'm interested in those since lots of folks swear by them and love these brand of speakers. I have listened to some music last summer, with the Studio 10's and it was very nice IMO. I can't test all 3 in one store. In fact I think all 3 brands are in 3 different A/V stores in my city. DAMN.
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