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Hey guys I am setting up my home theater in a 12' W x 20' L x 8' H room and I'm getting what I think is a good deal on these 5.1 speaker systems.

Option 1. Klipsch RF82II X 2
Klipsch RC62II
Klipsch RS 52II X 2
HSU VTF-15

Denon 2313

Option 2. Def Tech BP 8040 X 2
Def Tech CS 8040
Def Tech SR 8040 X 2
HSU VTF-3 MK4

Pioneer Elite VSX-70

They are both in the $3,000ish with the Def Tech system $100 more, this will be for 80% movies/ tv and 20% music. let me know your thoughts.
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Do you like the sound of the Klipsch? They seem to be very polarizing with some people -- love them or hate them.
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Hey guys I am setting up my home theater in a 12' W x 20' L x 8' H room and I'm getting what I think is a good deal on these 5.1 speaker systems.

Option 1. Klipsch RF82II X 2
Klipsch RC62II
Klipsch RS 52II X 2
HSU VTF-15

Denon 2313

Option 2. Def Tech BP 8040 X 2
Def Tech CS 8040
Def Tech SR 8040 X 2
HSU VTF-3 MK4

Pioneer Elite VSX-70

They are both in the $3,000ish with the Def Tech system $100 more, this will be for 80% movies/ tv and 20% music. let me know your thoughts.

I agree that the Klipsch sound can be polarizing. I could be a little biased but I would go with the Klipsch/VTF-15H combination. Klipsch speakers do particularly well with movies.

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Is there a reason you are only looking at those two options or are you open to other choices that total to $3000?
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I am curious as well about being open to other choices. Although, I would say either setup would make a decent HT setup. To the OP-have you listened to either of the two options yet? The Klipsch and Deftech are really quite different.

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I agree that the Klipsch sound can be polarizing. I could be a little biased but I would go with the Klipsch/VTF-15H combination. Klipsch speakers do particularly well with movies.

Movies exactly is the reason I want to go with Klipsch, I demo -ed the Klipsch KF-28 at best buy and the sound was good (open part of the store). I later went to magnolia section and they had the def tech BP8040 system with the pioneer for $2799.00, the sound was very warm.

Now I am torn between getting the RF 82II system or the def tech BP 8040 system.
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Is there a reason you are only looking at those two options or are you open to other choices that total to $3000?

I have a few weeks to pull the trigger so I am still open to other options. Let me know your thoughts.
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The KF-28 and RF-82 II are different designs. I wouldn't assume that the two are going to sound similar. I would try and audition the exact speaker you're interested in before making a purchase.

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The KF-28 and RF-82 II are different designs. I wouldn't assume that the two are going to sound similar. I would try and audition the exact speaker you're interested in before making a purchase.

The brightness of the Klipsch would not be a problem, as a matter of fact I'm leaning toward the Klipsch because I love to watch movies very loud but the def tech package is pulling me.
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You might want to take a look at Triad. The Bronze line might work in your price point. Do a search on Triad thread.
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You might want to take a look at Triad. The Bronze line might work in your price point. Do a search on Triad thread.

Never though of them, will check them out.
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Between those Def Techs and Klipsch, Klipsch for sure!

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Hey guys I am setting up my home theater in a 12' W x 20' L x 8' H room and I'm getting what I think is a good deal on these 5.1 speaker systems.

Option 1. Klipsch RF82II X 2
Klipsch RC62II
Klipsch RS 52II X 2
HSU VTF-15

Denon 2313

Option 2. Def Tech BP 8040 X 2
Def Tech CS 8040
Def Tech SR 8040 X 2
HSU VTF-3 MK4

Pioneer Elite VSX-70

They are both in the $3,000ish with the Def Tech system $100 more, this will be for 80% movies/ tv and 20% music. let me know your thoughts.

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Since you are set on getting a good sub, you won't really need the added bass extension of tower speakers. I would go for the Klipsch system and use RB-81s for the front left/right.
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Since you are set on getting a good sub, you won't really need the added bass extension of tower speakers. I would go for the Klipsch system and use RB-81s for the front left/right.

Thanks for your recommendation, wouldn't the RF-82II s give me a higher SPL than the RB-81's? Like I posted earlier this would be 80% movies/ tv so I 'm looking for the big cinema sound.
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Only in the range of the woofers would it give you a little bit more SPL, but not really much at all. If you push your system to the point where that extra woofer makes a difference, you should probably be looking at better speakers in any case. You would be spending a bit more money on something that offers a very meager return.
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Only in the range of the woofers would it give you a little bit more SPL, but not really much at all. If you push your system to the point where that extra woofer makes a difference, you should probably be looking at better speakers in any case. You would be spending a bit more money on something that offers a very meager return.

Thanks shadyJ for your input, better speakers???? my budget is $3000 and change for a 5.1 system for now (7.1/2 upgrade future plans) so I am not looking at JTR'S and Legacy's etc. What would you recommend in the better range you are talking about?
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I think you read my post a bit wrong. I wasn't saying you should get better speakers, I was saying that if you end up pushing your system so hard that the difference between the RB-81 and RF-82 can be discerned, you are pushing your speakers waaay too hard. Yes, there are better speakers, but for the price the Klipsch Reference are not bad, in my opinion. If I had $3k for a system right now, I would go DIY, you can potentially get a better setup than JTR or Legacys, even for $3k, if you are willing to do a bit of assembly.

By the way, since you intend to go 7.1 in the future, I would replace the RS surround speakers with some RB speakers, I think that monopoles make more sense for a 7.1 system. It will save you some money too. A really good and inexpensive speaker mount for bookshelf speakers is the Videosecu side-clamping mount, by the way, in case you need mounts for that.
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I think you read my post a bit wrong. I wasn't saying you should get better speakers, I was saying that if you end up pushing your system so hard that the difference between the RB-81 and RF-82 can be discerned, you are pushing your speakers waaay too hard. Yes, there are better speakers, but for the price the Klipsch Reference are not bad, in my opinion. If I had $3k for a system right now, I would go DIY, you can potentially get a better setup than JTR or Legacys, even for $3k, if you are willing to do a bit of assembly.

By the way, since you intend to go 7.1 in the future, I would replace the RS surround speakers with some RB speakers, I think that monopoles make more sense for a 7.1 system. It will save you some money too. A really good and inexpensive speaker mount for bookshelf speakers is the Videosecu side-clamping mount, by the way, in case you need mounts for that.

Okay, I am not ready to go DIY, a least not yet. I will go with Klipsch RF82II's system and get the RB's for 7.1.
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Yeah, are you LIMITED to these 2 brands?

If so, I would get the one w/ the better sub package - VTF-15H.

Otherwise, I would buy a Revel F12/C12/M12 system for $2K (discounts wink.gif).
Then get the VTF-15H.
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Yeah, are you LIMITED to these 2 brands?

If so, I would get the one w/ the better sub package - VTF-15H.

Otherwise, I would buy a Revel F12/C12/M12 system for $2K (discounts wink.gif).
Then get the VTF-15H.

I am not limited to 2 brands, I am still in the research mood. The 2 options I posted above were the deals I had on the table. Any Revel dealers????
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I am not limited to 2 brands, I am still in the research mood. The 2 options I posted above were the deals I had on the table. Any Revel dealers????

As horrible as the economy is, dealers are tanking everywhere. The ones surviving are understandably giving discounts to stay alive. Just yesterday I received a phone call from the same authorized Revel dealer who sold me my brand new Salon2.

If you are interested in Revel after your research, I could give you the information.

If I had $3K, I would unequivocally get the Revel F12/C12/M12 system plus the HSU VTF-15H. Unless I could find a pair of F32 on AudiogoN for cheap. biggrin.gif
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As horrible as the economy is, dealers are tanking everywhere. The ones surviving are understandably giving discounts to stay alive. Just yesterday I received a phone call from the same authorized Revel dealer who sold me my brand new Salon2.

If you are interested in Revel after your research, I could give you the information.

If I had $3K, I would unequivocally get the Revel F12/C12/M12 system plus the HSU VTF-15H. Unless I could find a pair of F32 on AudiogoN for cheap. biggrin.gif

So you will recommend Revel F12 system over Klipsch RF82II system even though the Klipsch's are 98db vs Revel's 90db? Will the Revel give me the "in your face" theater sound I want?
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The Klipsch sensitivity specs for their Reference line are badly exaggerated, don't pay attention to them. The only sensitivity specs I would trust from Klipsch is for their Heritage line their THX line, and maybe their pro stuff. But the Klipsch will definitely give you a more 'in your face' sound'. Another brand which is known to be a bit forward is Paradigm, you might investigate some of their stuff.

I know you already shot down the idea of DIY, but give it another consideration, it probably isn't as difficult as you would imagine. There are kits like these and these. You have to put together the cabinets (you could have a cabinet maker in your area do that), and in the case of the SEOS kits, put together the crossover. But for the sound you want, these would be sooo much better than even Klipsch. These will make your living room sound like an Imax theater. I would point you toward the Pi Four and Sentinal 15, with each of those you get a 15" mid bass woofer and a compression tweeter in a nice big horn. Their sensitivity specs are legitimate, and will blow away even the might Klipsch RF-7. Depending on how you go about building them and what upgrades you get, three of those for your front stage wouldn't set you back more than $2k total.

As for subs, get a couple of these cabinet flat packs ($240), a couple of these SI 18" D2 drivers from this page (around $450 shipped guessing), this amp ($300) and this equalizer+mic ($200), and you are set for two heavy duty 18" subs for $1200, nothing else will even dream of comparing to that system for the price.
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shadyj, what cable do you use between the amp and the sub? If I went this route one of my subs would need 40 to 50 ft of cable
due to routing through the attic and back down a wall

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A standard cable, the length won't bother it. The only potential issues with very long cables are capacitance and inductance, which have an effect on high frequencies, but as subs don't reproduce high frequencies it's not a concern.

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The Klipsch sensitivity specs for their Reference line are badly exaggerated, don't pay attention to them. The only sensitivity specs I would trust from Klipsch is for their Heritage line their THX line, and maybe their pro stuff. But the Klipsch will definitely give you a more 'in your face' sound'. Another brand which is known to be a bit forward is Paradigm, you might investigate some of their stuff.

I know you already shot down the idea of DIY, but give it another consideration, it probably isn't as difficult as you would imagine. There are kits like these and these. You have to put together the cabinets (you could have a cabinet maker in your area do that), and in the case of the SEOS kits, put together the crossover. But for the sound you want, these would be sooo much better than even Klipsch. These will make your living room sound like an Imax theater. I would point you toward the Pi Four and Sentinal 15, with each of those you get a 15" mid bass woofer and a compression tweeter in a nice big horn. Their sensitivity specs are legitimate, and will blow away even the might Klipsch RF-7. Depending on how you go about building them and what upgrades you get, three of those for your front stage wouldn't set you back more than $2k total.

As for subs, get a couple of these cabinet flat packs ($240), a couple of these SI 18" D2 drivers from this page (around $450 shipped guessing), this amp ($300) and this equalizer+mic ($200), and you are set for two heavy duty 18" subs for $1200, nothing else will even dream of comparing to that system for the price.

ShadyJ thank you again for a wonderful write up with all the information I need to go DIY, which is my dream one day to start DIY speakers. With that said I spend a lot on my off days on this site which causing problems at home with the !!!!!!!!!! lol so I will hold off the DIY route.

Any Paradigm speakers you would recommend which are better than Klipsch in that price range?
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shadyj, what cable do you use between the amp and the sub? If I went this route one of my subs would need 40 to 50 ft of cable
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There are wireless kits for subwoofers, like this one and this one, but they are a little pricey.
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ShadyJ thank you again for a wonderful write up with all the information I need to go DIY, which is my dream one day to start DIY speakers. With that said I spend a lot on my off days on this site which causing problems at home with the !!!!!!!!!! lol so I will hold off the DIY route.

Any Paradigm speakers you would recommend which are better than Klipsch in that price range?
I did hear some Paradigms (don't remember which models) vs some Klipsch Reference in a showroom once, but they were also in there with some Klipsch heritage speakers which blew them all away, so I don't remember the sound of the Paradigms.
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So you will recommend Revel F12 system over Klipsch RF82II system even though the Klipsch's are 98db vs Revel's 90db? Will the Revel give me the "in your face" theater sound I want?

The F12 is more accurate, measures a lot better, and commands a lot more audiophile respect (related to Revel Salon2 and JBL Everest wink.gif).

But subjectively, I don't know which you will prefer.

Based on all the speakers I've owned and auditioned and personal experience, the F12 system is just my recommendation.

And the sensitivity rating has utterly nothing to do with sound quality. Some high efficiency speakers sound great and some don't. But it's all subjective.
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