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Hello! I am looking at putting a home theater in my living room with dimensions of 14x21. The speakers will be connected to a 50" Samsung and a PS3. The primary use of said speakers will be for movies and games, possibly some music but very unlikely. I have been doing research but I am not sure what what brand would be better for my family's needs . With that said, I don't want to get something that is going to be overkill for my uses. Thank you in advance.

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Aperion seems to be a high quality high value option that offers free shipping to try them in your home.
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First thing you need to do is to establish a budget. You'll need to budget for speakers, avr, and ideally a subwoofer. You also need to decide how many speakers (2.1, 3.1, 5.1, 7.1).
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I am looking at a 5.1 or a 7.1 speaker setup. Budget wise my wife would prefer no more than $500. I might be able to get her as high as $1000. So what would be a good low, medium, and high route in regards to home theater setup. Thanks again.
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$500 is not much to work with but you gotta start somewhere. Only thing I can recommend in that range is a Pioneer speaker setup with a refurbished Onkyo/Denon 5.1/7.1 AVR or maybe an Onkyo HTiB, HTS9400/9500, because Onkyo uses real receivers in their HTiBs that can be added to/upgraded easily.

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I have looked into the onkyo 9400 and I do like them however, would it make more sense to just get a high quality 2.1 or even 3.1 and just build up from that as time goes on? I guess my thought process is why buy something inferior just to have to upgrade.
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I am looking at a 5.1 or a 7.1 speaker setup. Budget wise my wife would prefer no more than $500. I might be able to get her as high as $1000. So what would be a good low, medium, and high route in regards to home theater setup. Thanks again.

$500 for that space is pretty difficult for a 5.1 system.

Starting with a basic 5.1 receiver and a pair of fronts might be good.

You can get a pair of Primus P163's, a PC251 Center and a Denon AVR-E300 for $572 shipped.

Adding a Kiipsch sub to this would cost $280 more.
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I guess my thought process is why buy something inferior just to have to upgrade.

$500 will not get yöu a "high quality" 3.1 system let alone a 2.1 that you wont want to upgrade.

Do you think a pair of $100 speakers with a $200 sub and $200 receiver is something that you will live with for a long time?
Look around and see what a good system actually costs and you will see what I'm talking about.

IMO I'd start with a decent HTIB and move that to the bedroom when funds allow for a better system.
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For $1000, if you shop wisely, you should be able to get a decent 5.1 setup. Keep an eye on NewEgg, and Fry's. The Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are often on sale for $77 a pair for the bs-22 bookshelfs. That's roughly $250 for 4 bs-22's and the matching center. Throw in the Klipsch RW-12D sub and that leaves around $400 for an avr. Talk the wife into $1k and you can have a nice 5.1 system. If she holds at $500, look for a nice HTIB.
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For $1000, if you shop wisely, you should be able to get a decent 5.1 setup. Keep an eye on NewEgg, and Fry's. The Pioneer Andrew Jones speakers are often on sale for $77 a pair for the bs-22 bookshelfs. That's roughly $250 for 4 bs-22's and the matching center. Throw in the Klipsch RW-12D sub and that leaves around $400 for an avr. Talk the wife into $1k and you can have a nice 5.1 system. If she holds at $500, look for a nice HTIB.
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And if you are a decent shopper, you can get a 5.1 AVR for well less than $400, like the Denon AVR-E300 on sale right now for $250.
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fwiw, although your budget is low ($500-$1000)you can still get a very good sounding system to build off of for example 2 pairs of infinity primus 153's $50 ea. amazon $200 or the pioneer's listed above $144 frys

a denon avr 1712 (7.1 with audyssey mult eqxt) refurb. $280 accessories4less ;this will be a good option when you upgrade

klipsch rw 12d on sale $280 newegg. a nice beginners sub will give you good low end in your room total $760

run with 4.1 using "phantom center" until you start your upgrade then you can replace the lcr with your up grade speakers and use the infinitys or pioneers to surround duty. just another option

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fwiw, although your budget is low ($500-$1000)you can still get a very good sounding system to build off of for example 2 pairs of infinity primus 153's $50 ea. amazon $200 or the pioneer's listed above $144 frys

a denon avr 1712 (7.1 with audyssey mult eqxt) refurb. $280 accessories4less ;this will be a good option when you upgrade

klipsch rw 12d on sale $280 newegg. a nice beginners sub will give you good low end in your room total $760

run with 4.1 using "phantom center" until you start your upgrade then you can replace the lcr with your up grade speakers and use the infinitys or pioneers to surround duty. just another option

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This is great advice and will give you a setup that will sound very good for the money, much better than the home theater in a box speaker sets. smile.gif

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Between Infinity and Pioneer which one is better? Are there any particular specs to look at when looking at speakers. I understand that the best way to judge speakers is to listen to them however, that is nearly impossible.
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For the money, I think the Pioneers are much better investment. I think the infinity speakers are in a weird price segment situation. It seems they are arguable not better than the pioneers and at a higher price point. Gathered from my readings here, for a little more than the primus, you get significant upgrade in HSUs, Ascend, Arx, Cambridge. If Primus match the Pioneers in price, you have a debate. At current prices, Pioneers no contest. At least that's how I see it or have analyzed from my research. I do not have first hand experience with he Primus, but Pioneers would not disappoint. They were a huge upgrade from my onkyos HTIB.

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Between Infinity and Pioneer which one is better? Are there any particular specs to look at when looking at speakers. I understand that the best way to judge speakers is to listen to them however, that is nearly impossible.
Flip a coin. They both have their fans. Try and buy from someplace where you can return them if you're not happy. Buy whichever one you can get the best price on.
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Between Infinity and Pioneer which one is better? Are there any particular specs to look at when looking at speakers. I understand that the best way to judge speakers is to listen to them however, that is nearly impossible.
fwiw buy a pair of each and try them out in your room . after some time listening to both keep the ones you liked and send the others back and order another pair of the ones you liked. might cost about $20 to have ship. back but at least you can make your own judgement and be satisfied and not wondering about buyers remorse. just a suggestion

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After doing more research I think I am going to initially push for a 3.0 system and convert it to a 5.1/7.1. I am looking at making the 3.0 out of the infinity primus line. Using two 363 towers and the 351 center. From what I have gathered, a sub isn't necessary when using towers. The tricky part seems to be deciding on a receiver. I would like one capable of working a 7.1 if that is the direction I decide to go. So what would be a good receiver going this route. What are some features to look for when purchasing a receiver? Thank you again.
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For Home theater, a sub IS necessary whether you use towers or not. The towers may help mitigate the issue while you don't have one but it is not a replacement. For music, yes, a pair of good towers without a sub is preferred by many.

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For the money, it looks like Ascend or HSU is a step up from the Primus. If you are going to build around something, I'd suggest building around those and not the Primus. The Primus, like the pioneers, would be more like getting a system now rather than build around.

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From what I have gathered, a sub isn't necessary when using towers.

I think you have this backwards..... Towers aren't necessary when using a sub. Most ppl recommend crossovers between 60-80hz so as long as your speakers can go down to 60hz -3db the sub can handle 60-80hz and below.

This coming from me who uses towers with dual 8's and has 2 - 12" subs. I still prefer towers over bookshelf speakers of the same model line. Many ppl say you can step up to the next model line if you stick with bookshelf speakers, but what they aren't considering is that now you have to either buy shelves, stands, or mounts for those speakers which wouldn't be much less if any rather than just buying the towers.

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I think you have this backwards..... Towers aren't necessary when using a sub.
Correct. Towers aren't replacements for subs, as few have either the low frequency extension or output capabilities of good subs, and towers don't allow for the placement of low frequency and higher frequency elements where each works best, which very seldom coincides.

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