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You could maybe go visit Rythmik...that's a relatively short ways away by Texas standards smile.gif If you continue looking at subs, that is.
Yes. I drive half way to Austin everyday to get to work...smile.gif
But jokes aside, I think I'm ok with buying the sub (if I end up doing that) without listening to them since there is reasonable agreement on this forum about them.
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In Houston it shouldn't be too hard to find a store/showroom where you can hear/audition the KEF or Monitor Audio brand towers. (If you're considering the beefier-tower-no-sub option then hearing them first should be helpful.)
I found a couple of places that do that here. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Sometimes you just need to commit and go for something....auditioning isn't always an option altho it's good to make sure of what the return will entail.

It looks like I am going to have to commit to something.
Here is my planned course of action:
1. Audition the KEF and/or Monitor speakers (without a sub)
2. If they don't fit the bill, then order one of the subs
3. Order EMP E55Ti's (return if necessary)
4. Order Ascend CMT-340 (return if necessary)

I put the EMPs first because they have a lower return cost (only one way shipping) than the Ascends.

How does that sound?
I guess I'll report back when I've actually done something.
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I put the EMPs first because they have a lower return cost (only one way shipping) than the Ascends.

Don't think that the free shipping isn't worked into their price wink.gif Better to just view final shipped cost in making evaluations of which seems the best guess in final price/performance.

Oh, my guess is that taller towers like that would be more expensive to return ship if you didn't like them. Might want to see what the return shipping cost is.

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Don't think that the free shipping isn't worked into their price wink.gif Better to just view final shipped cost in making evaluations of which seems the best guess in final price/performance.

Oh, my guess is that taller towers like that would be more expensive to return ship if you didn't like them. Might want to see what the return shipping cost is.

You're right! Looks like I won't be returning anything.
The ascends cost $40 for shipping and about $55 return shipping.
The EMP costs about $100 for return shipping.

Are there people who would let me audition their speakers? Maybe I can post on craigslist or something like that.
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Your right! Looks like I won't be returning anything.
The ascends cost $40 for shipping and about $55 return shipping.
The EMP costs about $100 for return shipping.

Are there people who would let me audition their speakers? Maybe I can post on craigslist or something like that.

You could ask in the Ascend SE owners thread to see if someone is in your area: http://www.avsforum.com/t/629769/ascend-se-owners-thread

Also, good to edit your account profile and provide your location smile.gif

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I put the EMPs first because they have a lower return cost (only one way shipping) than the Ascends.

Don't think that the free shipping isn't worked into their price wink.gif Better to just view final shipped cost in making evaluations of which seems the best guess in final price/performance.

Oh, my guess is that taller towers like that would be more expensive to return ship if you didn't like them. Might want to see what the return shipping cost is.

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Don't think that the free shipping isn't worked into their price wink.gif Better to just view final shipped cost in making evaluations of which seems the best guess in final price/performance.

Oh, my guess is that taller towers like that would be more expensive to return ship if you didn't like them. Might want to see what the return shipping cost is.

You're right! Looks like I won't be returning anything.
The ascends cost $40 for shipping and about $55 return shipping.
The EMP costs about $100 for return shipping.

Are there people who would let me audition their speakers? Maybe I can post on craigslist or something like that.

Not much in your area, but might be interesting for you to hear something in a home setup...http://www.avsforum.com/t/1354492/the-ill-demo-my-speakers-for-other-enthusiasts-thread

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Not much in your area, but might be interesting for you to hear something in a home setup...http://www.avsforum.com/t/1354492/the-ill-demo-my-speakers-for-other-enthusiasts-thread
No one listed there in my area like you said.

On a different topic, I have a Denon 1713. Is this enough to drive the speakers that I'm considering? Or should I be thinking about an external amp?
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On a different topic, I have a Denon 1713. Is this enough to drive the speakers that I'm considering? Or should I be thinking about an external amp?

Did you say how big your room is? Unless your room is unusually larger, the Denon 1713 would be enough for many people, although it really depends on your expectations for volume.

However, if volume is a serious concern of yours, then you want the speakers with more sensitivity. I'm not certain how to compare their ratings since CMT-340 SE are listed as 90dB @ 1 watt/ 1 meter (8 ohms) and E55Ti 88dB (2.83V@1m) (6 ohms).

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Did you say how big your room is? Unless your room is unusually larger, the Denon 1713 would be enough for many people, although it really depends on your expectations for volume.

However, if volume is a serious concern of yours, then you want the speakers with more sensitivity. I'm not certain how to compare their ratings since CMT-340 SE are listed as 90dB @ 1 watt/ 1 meter (8 ohms) and E55Ti 88dB (2.83V@1m) (6 ohms).

Yes, my room is 18x15 but it's not very closed. I have a kitchen and a dining area behind the living area. This adds another ~10 ft to the back which brings the total to about 18x25. But then again, I don't like to listen to things at very high volume. So I'll probably stick with the Denon for now.
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The Denon AVR-1713 will work fine, and you would have to sell it to get something with pre-outs instead, which doesn't start until the AVR-3313.

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The Denon AVR-1713 will work fine, and you would have to sell it to get something with pre-outs instead, which doesn't start until the AVR-3313.

I agree. You should be fine in that size room with the 1713.

However, the subs you are considering might be challenged in that size space. Subs see all the other open areas, too. Instead of putting more money into a receiver, I would jump up to the HSU VTF-3 MK4 or Outlaw Audio LFM-1 EX if you can.

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That settles it. I will stick with the 1713.

Transmaniacon, I see that you own the EMP E55Ti's. Could you describe how they sound and did you happen to compare them with any other speakers?
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That settles it. I will stick with the 1713.

Transmaniacon, I see that you own the EMP E55Ti's. Could you describe how they sound and did you happen to compare them with any other speakers?

The EMP's are a more neutral speaker, meaning they are a little more laid back than brands like Polk and Klipsch. The imaging on them is fantastic, it was the first thing I noticed. I currently run them with a phantom center and I can sit anywhere on my sofa without losing the effect. When listening to music in stereo, I can easily place each instrument in space and the speakers disappear in my room. One shortfall of them however is the low end, they really benefit from a subwoofer in movies. I do not use a sub with music, but it is a must have for movies. Also, these speakers are solid, and they look beautiful. I have them in red burl and the finish and build quality is top notch.

I listened to a good deal of speakers before I tried these, Polk RTi, Infinity Primus, Energy RC, Pioneer, and DefTech, as well as some much more expensive B&W, and Martin Logan speakers. If I had an unlimited budget, I would probably have gone with Martin Logan, but these EMPs hold their own against the much more expensive speakers. The mid-range is the bread and butter of the speaker, that combined with superb imaging made them a clear winner for me. I think the Energy speakers (Older RC line, not the current CF) are a pretty comparable speaker. They are both laid back and sounded similar to me, though with EMP getting the nod on imaging.

Also, the EMPs looked the best out of any speaker I heard, so thats an added bonus! biggrin.gif

Edit: I should note I also listened to the Klipsch Reference line and I didn't care for them (too bright for me).

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Thanks for the information.

I was thinking about jumping up to the better subs as suggested earlier but I have a question. If the sub is side firing, like the Hsu VTF-3 MK4, do I have to place the sub so that the firing side is pointing to an open space?
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I'm not sure how close the HSU driver should be placed aiming at walls, etc. Since it is downfiring, the Outlaw LFM-1 EX will not have placement issues. Here is a review: http://www.audioholics.com/reviews/speakers/subwoofers/lfm-1-ex-review

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If the sub is side firing, like the Hsu VTF-3 MK4, do I have to place the sub so that the firing side is pointing to an open space?
No. Subwoofer radiation is omni-directional. You'll often get a better result aiming the cone towards the wall, as higher frequency harmonics don't go around corners with the ease that the actual subwoofer bandwidth frequencies do.

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If you come up through OKC anytime soon then you can have a listen to mine. I've heard the Infinity Primus 363's, Klipsch RF-62/82, Polk RTi bookshelves and a few other speakers here and there....these are definitely a crazy buy for their price. I felt the Klipsch was okay, but had a recessed midrange and the top end was too much. The Primus was decent, especially for it's sale price at Fry's. Not a bad speaker, but could come off a little hot in the upper midrange/lower treble too me. The RTi I heard was just way too forward for my liking. This particular audition was in a store though, so I can't put much into judging that.

I was VERY leery about ordering the EMP stuff as something that looks that nice, with that many drivers can't sound that great (...axiom's large center and m80 complaints come to mind), but I was blown away at their imaging and depth. Cast baskets, etc etc are great to have, but not a requirement to get great sound. I've wondered if they're able to sell them this cheap since TO ME, it looks like they're using the same cabinet as the RBH towers. I'm sure the RBH towers get more beefed up in the end and I'm positive the front baffles are different as EMP has told me, but the dimensions and everything else are the exact same. The top end needs a slight bump on the tweeter, but if you use any EQ it'll fix that. Nothing jumps out at you as they're a very neutral speaker. I'll second that they disappear in my room, even sitting 3-4 feet from the sweet spot. I can sit in front of the FL speaker and it's still glue'd to the middle (running phantom center at the moment until TV goes on the wall). You'll definitely want a sub, but most speakers under...well...a good chunk of money will need something to carry the weight of the lower end.

Oh, the 1713 should be plenty for ya. I'm driving mine with the 1712 & my room is 22'x20'-ish (w/ 11-12' ceilings)...very open too. It has more than enough to get insanely loud. The dynamics of the e55's are mind blowing. I can't hear them break up until I'm reaching near reference levels on the AVR, but that was a one time test & it was very slight breakup. Anything that loud is just too loud for long lol

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No. Subwoofer radiation is omni-directional. You'll often get a better result aiming the cone towards the wall, as higher frequency harmonics don't go around corners with the ease that the actual subwoofer bandwidth frequencies do.
That's good to know. I was actually intending to face the cone toward my TV stand, and I presume that's ok as well. What about the port? Does it have to have some space?
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If you come up through OKC anytime soon then you can have a listen to mine.
I don't have any plans to come through OKC but thanks for the offer and the review. I am definitely leaning toward the EMPs right now.
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The ports will need a few inches, I would give them 3 or 4 inches.
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The ports will need a few inches, I would give them 3 or 4 inches.

That's not a problem. I should have more space than that.
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Alright folks, I finally got to audition some speakers. It's much harder to find places to audition than I thought.

I tried to find the KEF's as mentioned earlier but there are no dealers that have them. I am going to try a few more places but it doesn't look promising. Also, I don't think I can listen to the EMPs. Anyway, I listened to the PSB Image T5, Paradigm Monitor 11, and B&W 683.

Out of the three, I liked the sound of the PSBs the most. I thought they had more detail than the rest and were pretty balanced across frequencies. They were lacking in bass compared to the Monitor 11s but I am hoping the T6 is better than the T5 in that area.

The Monitor 11s had good lows and high but I thought they were lacking in the mids. Also, songs that were heavy on vocals just didn't sound that good.

The B&W 683s just had a real dull sound and was not very detailed. I didn't like them very much. I was listening to some classical pieces and some instruments were just missing. I think there was a bell (or something similar) that just didn't make it through.

I am going to listen to Monitor Audio RX6 sometime this week and I will report back. Thanks for your help.
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Subwoofer: Rythmik LV12R ($598, shipped)

I would get dual LV12 for $1060 shipped (10% discount).

Then get two NHT Absolute Zero (ask NHT to extend the $175 each sale) for $350 shipped.

The Absolute Zero measured +/- 0.9dB from 100Hz-10kHz on HTM, which of course is superlative.

Then get 2 black wood speaker stands from Wood Technology for about $60. Place the NHT on speaker stands atop each Rythmik sub to form a big modular tower speaker system. biggrin.gif

Make sure you run Audyssey XT + Dynamic EQ, then manually reset your speakers and sub levels afterwards. I prefer Audyssey Flat + DEQ.
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I tried to look for dealers for NHT. They claim to have some on their website but the search doesn't work. It just says something like, "Please wait, this may take a while." It stays that way for a few hours.
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I tried to look for dealers for NHT. They claim to have some on their website but the search doesn't work. It just says something like, "Please wait, this may take a while." It stays that way for a few hours.

Another forum member just ordered the Absolute Zero for $175 each shipped. NHT offers 30-day trial free shipping like Aperion. So you can do in-home audition.
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If you don't mind a drive to Austin, you can audition my Ascend CMT-340 SE's.
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Another forum member just ordered the Absolute Zero for $175 each shipped. NHT offers 30-day trial free shipping like Aperion. So you can do in-home audition.
Thanks. I didn't realize that. That's pretty awesome.
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If you don't mind a drive to Austin, you can audition my Ascend CMT-340 SE's.
Thanks for offering. If I do come by there, I'll get in touch with you.

As I mentioned earlier, I am going to look at towers first and then at bookshelf+sub. Just from my limited auditions so far, I am starting to like towers better than bookshelf+sub. There are two more store I want to visit to audition. I'll report back after that. Thanks.
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