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post #1 of 16 Old 07-08-2013, 06:43 PM - Thread Starter
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4 choices, which one do you guys recommend? Need something slim and not too deep in design (no taller than 6" and no deeper than 6") for $100 or less and those all fit the requirements (Klipsch are $110 but close enough).
I know some of these are ported in the rear, like the Veritas, and they are going into the openings of a TV console so not sure if that is a concern and if I should not consider them because of that.

Polk Audio TL1
http://www.amazon.com/Polk-Audio-TL1-Speaker-Center/dp/B0043M6668


Yamaha NS-C210BL
http://www.amazon.com/Yamaha-NS-C210BL-Bass-Reflex-Center-Speaker/dp/B002JCSG2Q


Klipsch Synergy C-10
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780031


Energy Veritas V-Mini-C
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-Veritas-V-Mini-C-2-Way-Center-Channel-Speaker-Each-Rosenut-/350598928832
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I'm really considering these too...I know the price is double some of the other ones I was looking at but not like I'm going to buy speakers every other week, whatever I buy I'll probably have for the next 10+ years so what's another $300?

Definite Technology ProCenter 1000
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Definitive-Technology-Pro-1000-Center-Speaker-/180752979073
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I have a pair of Energy RC-MIni pulling 2 chn duty for my upstairs living room. They are virtually identical the Veritas Mini.

The ports on them are a none issue. If I stick a finger in the port of my mini is actually blocked with foam on the inside.

These speakers are not base heavy and I bet they will be fine in the TV console. I would really recommend running them with a sub as they are supposed to be crossed at 120 hz and have no bottom end at all.

They are crystal clear though.

Hope this helps. Good luck in your search.
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Thanks for the feedback MuaySteve. I actually have a Klipsch KD-12 subwoofer on order so that should take care of the lacking bass of the Energy speakers.

So 1 vote for the Energy (which is good since they are the least expensive of the bunch biggrin.gif ). Anyone else?
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Np. Keep in mind to that at times the RC / Veritas mini have sold for as much as $250 a piece. $100 is clearance pricing. It's a quality speaker at a great price.

You could also try posting your question on the official energy speaker thread. A lot of guys on there will know more.
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I can get a very good deal on these speakers as well...how do they compare to the Vertias or the Definite Technology speakers?

http://www.klipsch.com/rc-42-ii-center-speaker
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Well the Klipsch RC-42 is 8.9" deep which is way beyond your 6" limit....

http://mediacdn.shopatron.com/media/mfg/3579/media_document/live_1/RC42IIcutsheet.pdf?1288063897

Considering the Veritas V Mini center is $75 right now that would be my recommendation.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Energy-Veritas-V-Mini-C-2-Way-Center-Channel-Speaker-Each-Rosenut-/350598928832?pt=Speakers_Subwoofers&hash=item51a15319c0

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I did see that the RC-42 is deeper than 6" but I am thinking of cutting back the middle support int he cabinet to make if fit if the speaker is worth it.

Is it worth it for this speaker?

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I did see that the RC-42 is deeper than 6" but I am thinking of cutting back the middle support int he cabinet to make if fit if the speaker is worth it.

Is it worth it for this speaker?

The question you should be asking is if it would be worth it to get that center for the entire soundstage: front left, right, and center?

Your front three speakers should timbre match, which means getting the left and right with the matched center created by the manufacturer. Since the RC-42 matches with the rest of the Klipsch Reference series, you would be able to get bookshelves with larger drivers that would produce better midbass and perhaps overall better sound.

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The matching bookshelf speaker (around the same price point more or less) would be the RB-41, which has the same 1" tweeter and one 4" woofer (vs 2 of the center). I could go with two of those but I would need to lay them on their sides to fit inside the TV console so I'm not sure that would be better... aesthetically is definitely wouldn't be better.
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The matching bookshelf speaker (around the same price point more or less) would be the RB-41, which has the same 1" tweeter and one 4" woofer (vs 2 of the center). I could go with two of those but I would need to lay them on their sides to fit inside the TV console so I'm not sure that would be better... aesthetically is definitely wouldn't be better.

Putting all your speakers inside the TV console is not a great idea. And not sure about the RB-41, but quite often bookshelf speakers are also not designed to lay on their side.

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I know it's not ideal but that's really the only option so I have to find something that works, which is why I am leaning toward doing all center speakers for the LCR. I don't think there should be a problem with having the speakers inside the TV console as they will be just barely in the openings, with the front of the speaker flush with the cabinet.
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HX_Guy,


If your going for that clean look, maybe a sound bar might be a better move. Speakers are about placement relative to the listener. From the photo you posted, it looks like the sound would be directed at the listeners stomach, rather than ear height.
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If your going for that clean look, maybe a sound bar might be a better move. Speakers are about placement relative to the listener. From the photo you posted, it looks like the sound would be directed at the listeners stomach, rather than ear height.

Agreed.

That, and according to the picture you shared, the center channel would not be centered under the TV in one of those two slots. A good soundbar could very easily give you a better front sound stage.

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Went and measured the height of where the speaker would be placed and where someone's head would be when sitting on the couch and the speaker would be at 28" above the floor and the person's head would be at 36", is that really a problem?

Problem with a soundbar is that the TV is mounted 3.5" above the TV console, so there really isn't any space there to mount anything, plus it would look very crammed. Aesthetics is very important here.
I wouldn't want to move the TV up because then your head would be tilted upward when watching TV and I hate that, it's already slightly higher than eye level when sitting down.

Thanks to everyone for the input, I know I keep rebutting everything but the constructive criticism is good.
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If you want to keep all of the speakers in your cabinet, I would go for the Energy v-Mini c for the center, and get the regular v-minis for left and right and put them on their sides at the far edge on each side of that top shelf. That way you'll at least get some separation. Unfortunately the regular v-minis are selling for more than the center right now because of the incredible deal on the v-mini c. The Energy is far better than the other choices besides the DefTech, but I don't think the passive radiators on the Definitive would be the best choice for inside of a cabinet.
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