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Hello Everyone

I have a question about 5.1 setup for my friend. He wants to spend around 5-6k on speakers and 1-2 k for Receiver. What will be your recommendation ? Even though he is not an audiophile, he does want to build a good system. Do you think this range of price is good enough ?

His room size is 10'x12', not a very big room. He was going to get these Imagine T2 Towers

http://www.crutchfield.com/S-dB87zVuHPdi/p_760IGNT2GB/PSB-Imagine-T2-Tower-Gloss-Black.html

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http://usa.yamaha.com/products/audio-visual/aventage/rx-a3020_black_u/

He mostly cares for 2.1 but it will be good to get 5.1. I personally don't like Yamaha receivers for no particular reason.

What will you guys recommend in this budget ?

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Wow your friend must be wealthy if he is just nonchalantly going to drop that kind of coin on a ht setup for a tiny room. There are more options then he can imagine, he really should get out and listen to a variety of systems. What he has picked is very good, but there is no reason to spend that much on a receiver.
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Thanks for your response Jay1, so what will be your recommendation for that size room ? What's the best system for that room ?
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Does he want floorstanding speakers? Do you know what kind of sound he wants?
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Yes the floor standing. He is gonna watch movies and listen to concert DVDs. He is also planning to set up projector/screen in that room.
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Like I said, I like the speaker choice. One of the main factors your friend needs to consider is the depth of the speaker, due to the room dimensions, and the T2 is pretty reasonable.

The main thing is, there is no reason to spend more then $1k on a receiver. Something like this Denon 3313 is all your friend will ever need

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-3313CI-Networking-Receiver-Capacity/dp/B00829USKS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1373865853&sr=1-1

Another very good speaker recommendation would be the Sierra Tower, which is even more compact then the PSB

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRT/srt.html
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The main thing is, there is no reason to spend more then $1k on a receiver. Something like this Denon 3313 is all your friend will ever need

A bit of an arbitrary choice. Obviously, he doesn't need to spend 2K, but with such a budget he should at least get the best RC version, so X4000 if it's a Denon.
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A bit of an arbitrary choice. Obviously, he doesn't need to spend 2K, but with such a budget he should at least get the best RC version, so X4000 if it's a Denon.

Why should he?
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Like I said, I like the speaker choice. One of the main factors your friend needs to consider is the depth of the speaker, due to the room dimensions, and the T2 is pretty reasonable.

The main thing is, there is no reason to spend more then $1k on a receiver. Something like this Denon 3313 is all your friend will ever need

http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-3313CI-Networking-Receiver-Capacity/dp/B00829USKS/ref=sr_1_1?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1373865853&sr=1-1

Another very good speaker recommendation would be the Sierra Tower, which is even more compact then the PSB

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRT/srt.html

+1 to the Sierra Towers with the RAAL upgrade

Though I would also go with the X4000, it has some useful additions over the 3313.

Pair those Ascends with a good sub, since the room is small you could get a nice sealed sub, reduce the footprint, and still have plenty of thump. The Rythmik F15HP would be a great choice.

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Thanks a bunch guys. Any suggestion on Sub company/ models ?
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Anyway, I'm a bit biased here, but for this budget I would suggest:

Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers with RAAL tweeters
Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon with RAAL tweeter
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Monitors with NRT tweeters (or custom Sierra-1's with RAAL tweeters)
2X Rythmik FV15HP (ported) or 2X Rythmik F25 or 2X Rythmik F15HP (sealed)
Denon 4520CI (call AVS for best pricing)
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I guess the X4000 isnt that badly priced, but he could still get an Onkyo 818, Denon 4311, or any number of older models with XT32 still. A receiver is basically a 5 year investment, after that point it is practically obsolete. Only spending as much as you need, to get the features you need should be the goal.
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Anyway, I'm a bit biased here, but for this budget I would suggest:

Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers with RAAL tweeters
Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon with RAAL tweeter
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Monitors with NRT tweeters (or custom Sierra-1's with RAAL tweeters)
2X Rythmik FV15HP (ported) or 2X Rythmik F25 or 2X Rythmik F15HP (sealed)
Denon 4520CI (call AVS for best pricing)

This would make an excellent system (I'm biased as well as it's basically my system wink.gif).

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I think he has lots of good options. If he wants towers, I would stick with slim towers and for subs, I agree, small sealed subs.

For towers to base the speakers on, the Imagine T2 are slim and seem well liked. The Ascends are also a good choice. Others to consider would be the Salk Songtowers, with dome or ribbons, or the Kef R500s.

Any of the sealed subs like the SVS SB 13, Hsu ULS15, or sealed offereings from Rythmik or PSA would probably work. If it was me, I would get as small a sub as I could to not take up a big chunk of the room.

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I guess the X4000 isnt that badly priced, but he could still get an Onkyo 818, Denon 4311, or any number of older models with XT32 still. A receiver is basically a 5 year investment, after that point it is practically obsolete. Only spending as much as you need, to get the features you need should be the goal.

I agree, but non-equidistant dual sub setup would be harder without SubEQ on 818, and 4311, while an excellent value, is not that easy to find. What are the other older models with XT32?
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A multitude of Oknyo, Marantz, and Denons found on accessories4less can be had. Not that I really recommend going the refurb route. The 818 is on Amazon for $800.
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A multitude of Oknyo, Marantz, and Denons found on accessories4less can be had. Not that I really recommend going the refurb route. The 818 is on Amazon for $800.


This is the list of Onkyo, Marantz and Denon AVRs with XT32:
Denon X4000, 4311CI, 4520CI, .
Marantz SR7008, AV8801.
Onkyo TX-NR3008, TX-NR5008, TX-NR3009, TX-NR5009, TX-NR818, Onkyo TX-NR1010, TX-NR3010, TX-NR5010.

Cheapest non-refurb with a SubEQ implementation would still be X4000.
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I'd be careful with with Onkyo TX-NR818; both, the NR616 and NR818 were plagued with HDMI issues. I was going to get the 616 at one time, ended up with a Yamaha due to the HDMI issues. Unfortunately, for this year models, XT 32 is only available in the NR929.

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I think the X4000 is the sweet spot right now, XT 32, SubEQ, and all the bells and whistles you need.

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Thanks for your response guys. So, are RAAL tweeters worthy upgrades to have ?
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Anyway, I'm a bit biased here, but for this budget I would suggest:

Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers with RAAL tweeters
Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon with RAAL tweeter
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Monitors with NRT tweeters (or custom Sierra-1's with RAAL tweeters)
2X Rythmik FV15HP (ported) or 2X Rythmik F25 or 2X Rythmik F15HP (sealed)
Denon 4520CI (call AVS for best pricing)

I like these 3 brands.biggrin.gif

Something from Ascend (like Sierra) + Rythmik (like FV15HP) + Denon (like X4000).

I don't think RAAL is necessarily the best or that sealed subs are best or that you need to spend that much for the 4520. Doesn't hurt, of course. biggrin.gif
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I'm going against the grain of recommending the Ascends rolleyes.gif so I will throw this one at ya https://www.svsound.com/systems/ultra-bookshelf-surround-package#.UeSzh22kaWY
with these subs https://www.svsound.com/dual-subwoofers/dual-sb13-ultra#.UeS0Cm2kaWY

Dual subs should seriously be considered as it will help smooth out LFE and fill the room with ease.

Still leaves over $1K for a receiver.....The new Denons look pretty good but since I don't own one, I can recommend Anthem's MRX receiver line that has, IMO, the best room correction software out there.
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Anyway, I'm a bit biased here, but for this budget I would suggest:

Ascend Acoustics Sierra Towers with RAAL tweeters
Ascend Acoustics Sierra Horizon with RAAL tweeter
Ascend Acoustics Sierra-1 Monitors with NRT tweeters (or custom Sierra-1's with RAAL tweeters)
2X Rythmik FV15HP (ported) or 2X Rythmik F25 or 2X Rythmik F15HP (sealed)
Denon 4520CI (call AVS for best pricing)

This would make an excellent system (I'm biased as well as it's basically my system wink.gif).
Too right - I'm very jealous holt! smile.gif

To the OP: Another vote for the Ascend/Rythmik combo, but with the exception of the model of Rythmik sub (see just below), and a suggestion for the surrounds (see further below).

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Thanks a bunch guys. Any suggestion on Sub company/ models ?
Rythmik. A sealed version for compact size in that small room. Assuming an 8' ceiling, your friend's room is just under 1000ft^3. Is this a fully enclosed (sealed) space, or is it open to other areas of the house? If it's a sealed space, the F25 and 15HP subs are utter overkill. Even a pair of F15's would easily fill a room more than 5 times the size and therefore are not warranted. Dual Rythmik F12's (-2dB @ 20hz compared to F15) would be perfectly fine, especially if the room is enclosed. If the room is open to other areas of the house, let us know how big these areas area are.

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Thanks for your response guys. So, are RAAL tweeters worthy upgrades to have ?
For LCR; definately (IMO)!

The really terrific thing about Ascend Acoustics is the comprehensive suite of measurements published on their website. I haven't seen another quite like it. (Sometimes feel like rewarding them with my business for that alone!) Compare the measurements with the stock NrT dome tweeter (which looks to be excellent) here: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRT/srtmeas.html

... with the measurements for the RAAL ribbon here: http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/SRT/Ascend%20Sierra%20Ribbon%20Tower.pdf

A 5.2 system consisting of Ascend Sierra Tower/Horizon with RAAL ribbons, Sierra-1 surrounds and dual Rythmik F12SE's, all in piano black would be around $7150 including shipping. Slightly over your friends speaker budget, so as he's more a 2.1 channel bloke (& considering the Sierra-1 really is a reference monitor and IMO, a bit of a luxury for surround duty), I'd recommend he go for the Ascend CBM-170SE's as surrounds. This brings the total back to around $6500 shipped for the 5.2 system.

This compares to a PSB Imagine T2/C/B (gloss black) setup with dual Rythmik F12SE's for around $7900 shipped.

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I think the X4000 is the sweet spot right now, XT 32, SubEQ, and all the bells and whistles you need.
Second that! Great value for an XT32 AVR. Open box: $1170 shipped. http://outlet.crutchfield.com/p_033AVX4000/Denon-AVR-X4000.html?cc=02&pg=3&showAll=N&tp=179

This would be a great system for that sized room and your friends budget.
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Philharmonic Audio now makes a slim tower, should be comparable to the Sierras.

Why on earth are people recommending 2 subs for that small room? Total overkill.

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Philharmonic Audio now makes a slim tower, should be comparable to the Sierras.
Have you got a link to some info? I could only find a single pic of a slim tower here.

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Why on earth are people recommending 2 subs for that small room? Total overkill.

Can't speak for others, but I recommended them because dual subs:
  1. Give a greater opportunity (in concert with XT32/SubEQ HT) to provide a smoother, flatter frequency response across a wider listening area.
  2. Make localisation of low bass even more difficult by providing an additional mono source in the room and possibly allowing for a higher sub crossover, if necessary.
  3. Could be accommodated smack-bang within the stated budget.
  4. Are nearly as good as four
  5. Look pretty cool! biggrin.gif

OK, the last two are flippant. But dual 12", 370Wrms, sealed subs? I thought my recommendation was quite restrained by AVS standards... wink.gif
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I'm going against the grain of recommending the Ascends rolleyes.gif so I will throw this one at ya https://www.svsound.com/systems/ultra-bookshelf-surround-package#.UeSzh22kaWY
with these subs https://www.svsound.com/dual-subwoofers/dual-sb13-ultra#.UeS0Cm2kaWY

Dual subs should seriously be considered as it will help smooth out LFE and fill the room with ease.

Still leaves over $1K for a receiver.....The new Denons look pretty good but since I don't own one, I can recommend Anthem's MRX receiver line that has, IMO, the best room correction software out there.

Seems like a good recommendation also. Have you owned both Audyssey XT32 and ARC and compared both?
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GIEGAR, you can get in touch with Dennis Murphy directly through philharmonicaudio.com, but I know he is busy preparing for CAF in Washington DC two weeks from now.

I understand the potential enhancement to audio quality using two subs, but in a 10x12 room? You're talking about 8% of total floor space taken up by subs. Not everyone is a basshead, one decent and relatively compact subwoofer will work fine, especially for the non-audiophile who originally only wanted a 2.1 system. Just sayin', not challengin' smile.gif

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Thanks guys, these are valuable inputs. Dual sub is where I am struggling too, it seems over kill for that small room. :O
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