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Hi Everyone
I have a plasma 55" tv place in a 174"x174" room. TV is on the center of one wall and sofa is at the center of opposite wall.
I am looking to build a good setup for music under 1000. Everything is going to play through Apple TV. I do not really care for the FM etc and max I will ever go for is a 2.1 setup. So the full bulky AVR doesn't make sense for me.
Just ordered a Pioneer SP-FS52-LR and Nuforce Dia. The Dia was DOA. Have lost faith in that product.
So now I am out of ideas and need the help of the community with following:
1. Something not bulky which can drive two speakers and a subwoofer from my apple tv.
2. Subwoofer
Overall budget for both USD 700

If you people feel that the SP-FS52-L aren't good, please suggest replacements.

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How about the Emotiva mini-X a-100 amp, and an SVS SB-1000. The amp has much more power than that nuForce, which you will needed with the lower sensitivity Pioneers, and that sealed sub should do a great job for music.
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How about the Emotiva mini-X a-100 amp, and an SVS SB-1000.
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Emotiva mini-X a-100: reg. $219, shipped; currently on sale for $189, shipped.
SVS SB-1000: $499, shipped. And SVS has a promotion on right now: A 45-day in-home trial, with free shipping both ways.
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Thanks @Transmaniacon @eljaycanuck
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Will Emotiva mini-X a-100 be able to drive the Mangepan MMG, in case I were to replace my speakers with those.

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The MMGs are 4-ohm speakers, and the mini-X puts out 80W/ch. into four ohms. At the very least, it should be able to drive them cleanly to moderate volume levels.

If you're worried that that might not be enough, and if you can increase your current budget slightly, the UPA-200 ($349, shipped; currently on sale for $299, shipped) might be a better option. It puts out 125W/ch x 2 into eight ohms, and 200W/ch. into four ohms.
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One more question. What is the best way to connect Emotiva Mini-x a-100 to my Apple TV.

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You have only one option with the mini-X: L+R analogue inputs. (The same is true with most - if not all - power amplifiers.)

If the Apple TV doesn't have analogue output(s), you'll need a pre-amp or a DAC (digital-to-analogue converter) to convert the audio stream from digital to analogue - for example, the Emotiva XDA-2 (on sale for $339, shipped).

- OR -

You can look at buying an entry-level AVR (such as a factory re-furb Denon AVR-1613 from accessories4less.com for $215), connecting everthing to it (Apple TV, speakes and sub) and running it in 2.1.
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Thanks eljay - I dont mind the cost as long as UPA-200 is better than Emotiva mini-X a-100. Also does UPA-200 drive a subwoofer.

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No, the amp doesn't drive the sub - the sub is self-powered. So you'd run the following connection:
- speaker-level outputs on the mini-X to speaker-level inputs on the sub (this is so that the sub gets a signal); and
- speaker-level ouputs on the sub to the L and R speakers.
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I am trying to avoid bulk so AVR isn't an option for me. Can I connect the UPA-200 to my TV. If yes, what would be the best way to connect it. My tv is Panasonic ST30 plasma tv (manual http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42ST30.PDF).

So basically as far as I am understanding right now.
Connect tv to amp, amp to subwoofer and from subwoofer to speakers.

Thanks eljay. Really appreciate your help.

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I am trying to avoid bulk so AVR isn't an option for me.
If you're looking at both a DAC (or pre-amp) plus a power amp, that's not going to be less bulky than an AVR.
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No. Your TV does not have analogue audio outputs.
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I am trying to avoid bulk so AVR isn't an option for me. Can I connect the UPA-200 to my TV. If yes, what would be the best way to connect it. My tv is Panasonic ST30 plasma tv (manual http://service.us.panasonic.com/OPERMANPDF/TCP42ST30.PDF).

So basically as far as I am understanding right now.
Connect tv to amp, amp to subwoofer and from subwoofer to speakers.

Thanks eljay. Really appreciate your help.

Thanks
Kevin

The UPA-200 has the same footprint as an AVR...

This slim Marantz receiver could work, but the reason I suggested the Emotiva mini amp is it has a smaller footprint.

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Ok, so if I wanted to start with the following:
Something that can take input from my tv and drive two speakers - what would be the best place to start.
As I am understanding, I can then add an amp and sub later on.

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Your TV has only a digital audio output. I'm guessing your Apple TV also has only a digital audio output. So you need a DAC to convert the digital signal to L+R analogue.

Then you run a connection from the DAC to the amp.

Then you run speaker wires from the amp to the sub (for signal) and from the sub out to the speakers.

- OR -

You:
- run the digital audio output from your TV or Apple TV to an AVR;
- run an RCA-to-RCA connection from the AVR to the sub; and
- run speaker wires from the main speaker terminals on the AVR to your L+R speakers.

The AVR handles the audio conversion, as well as the crossover (so that only low frequencies go to the sub, and the rest of the audio goes to the speakers).
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Looks like, I only have two choices:
1. Order Nuforce Dia again
2. Go for an AVR, add the speaker to it. Add subwoofer later on.

If you had to recommend an AVR, which one would you recommend.

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2. Go for an AVR, add the speaker to it. Add subwoofer later on.
Why would you have to add the subwoofer later on? Your budget was $700 for a sub and something to handle the audio. The SVS sub is $500, that leaves you $200 for an AVR. accessories4less.com has a well-rated and well-equipped (incl. Audyssey MultEQ) Denon AVR-1612 factory re-furb for $199.
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Thanks eljay. Really appreciate your help on this.
What I had meant was avr are on amazon, so I can get them by tomorrow. And subwoofer will take some time because its getting shipped from svs site.

If I wanted to spend upto 400 which AVR would you recommend.

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Thanks eljay. Really appreciate your help on this.
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What I had meant was avr are on amazon, so I can get them by tomorrow. And subwoofer will take some time because its getting shipped from svs site.
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The Denon AVR-1713 - $380, shipped, on Amazon.com.
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Orders in place. Had to increase budget a bit.

AV Receiver - Sony STR-DN840 - will buy this at best buy tonight
Subwoofer - SVS SB-1000 - ordered from their site


Have the speakers SP-FS52-LR. However I am finding that they really shine at high volume. However I am looking for more definition and music at lower volumes. What speakers would you recommend. I was planning to go for Magnepan MMG, but they are 4 ohm and I am finding it difficult to get AV receivers for 4 ohm. Budget for pair of speakers is USD 500.

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Since you have a sub, I would take a look at the KEF Q300, Wharfedale 10.2, and Focal 706V. You can generally get more value from bookshelves and a sub, compared to towers and a sub.

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Thanks @Transmaniacon
Will take a look at the bookshelfs. Along with the cost of speaker stands, though the value is diminishing.

BTW I ended up getting a Marantz SR5007 for AV receiver. It has pre-outs for amps and was on sale at USD 600 at best buy. Nuforce Dia was crap and the speakers sound much better with the new AV receiver. Nuforce Dia is going back.
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What do people feel about B&W 684
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What do people feel about B&W 684
I'm happy with mine. Using them with a htm62 center, and Klipsch RW-12D sub in a 3.1 system. I use them in a 50/50 mix of music and movies and they perform well with both. Hope to fill them out with a pair of 686's for surrounds. The people over at whathifi.com seem to agree too.
http://www.whathifi.com/review/b%2526w-684
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Found another Jamo C 803. People are saying that its better than KEF Q300. What do you people feel.

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