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Looking for some fun speakers. Listen to lots' of 60's rock, 80s, pop and a small amount of R&B. 75% will be HT/Gaming but I care about music too. Don't care for jazz or classical if that helps.

Trying to avoid a lifeless dull speaker. Something where it isn't muddy or with a recessed treble. I heard some Pioneer BS22's, B&W CM9's, and Veritas (newer version). None of them impressed. Pioneer sucked, CM9 and Veritas had great bass and simply amazing tweeter detail. Still all seemed recessed in vocals and way too refined... made some songs seem lifeless where I should be jamming.

Now I am looking at the:

Polk RTI8 ($399 pair)
Polk RTIA3 ($285 pair)
Kef Q100/300 ($400 pair)
Klipsch RB-61 II ($350 pair)
Definitive Technology's StudioMonitor 450 ($250 pair)
Paradigm Studio 20 ($???)

Any thoughts and opinions? Comparisons would be appreciated.
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What is your actual budget? You listened to speakers from $130 to $3000. The KEF Q300s are excellent for music and HT. I think they sound great with rock music. The Klipsch are really quite good for HT but you need to be a fan of the horn tweeter. I´m not a big fan (at least for music) but that´s just me. Have you considered the internet direct brands? Ascend Acoustics is one example. The CMT-340SEs (mini-towers) are excellent for HT (or the CBM-170SEs, book shelf) and have a very resolving tweeter especially for vocals. I have the CBM-170SEs in my HT and one of the many things that stood out for me was the clarity of vocals.

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Well I am looking to spend $300-800. I am not going to go over $450 for a pair of bookshelfs though. I am trying to avoid speakers that sound warm and laid back like Jamo and B&W. They just sound too mellow.

Neutral or bright is what i like. Clarity and not warm, muddy like B&W.

What I am looking for is comparisons between any of these speakers. Thanks
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Well I am looking to spend $300-800. I am not going to go over $450 for a pair of bookshelfs though. I am trying to avoid speakers that sound warm and laid back like Jamo and B&W. They just sound too mellow.

Neutral or bright is what i like. Clarity and not warm, muddy like B&W.

What I am looking for is comparisons between any of these speakers. Thanks

I just got the EMPTEK E5BI speakers $225 delivered, and simply put it's amazing. It offers amazing sound quality, looks etc, lively and punchy with out being bright and fatiguing like certain other speakers.....exceptional clarity and separation of instruments.
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Bright = emphasized highs
Warm = emphasized bass
Laid-back = dip in the midrange
Forward = emphasized midrange
Harsh = peakiness in the upper midrange and low highs
Dark = downward tilted frequency response
Airy = upward tilted highs

Based on this I am looking for bright and forward
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are you planning on using a sub and how big is your room, how far away do you sit ,a photo of your room would help if possible and just a reminder a speaker will sound different in store compared to your room and surroundings

i'm so laid back,i'm laid out
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I would recommend the Polk RTiA3, paired with an SVS PB-1000 sub. The Polks fit your requirements, and given that a large portion of your content is movies and gaming, a sub would help a lot.

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NHT SuperZero (MSRP $120 each) for $60 each.

http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-speaker-SuperZero-2-0

For FUN, you must have dual subs. biggrin.gif
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Awesome deal on the NHT's. Based on reviews and freq. charts not sure if these are for me but I'm definitely considering them.

As far as my room is concerned it's about 12x15ft but I hope to one day maybe move to a larger room so I am flexible on size.
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Go audition some Klipsch speakers. I'll eat my hat if they aren't what you are looking for.

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I have already called a local store to see if they carry Klipsch. They have some Klipsch Reference so I should know by tonight if that's what I'm looking for. Apparently they only have Klipsch frown.gif. I would have liked to be able to compare to different brands and more bright/neutral/warm speakers in the same room.
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Apparently they only have Klipsch frown.gif. I would have liked to be able to compare to different brands and more bright/neutral/warm speakers in the same room.

...you and everyone else on this forum

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fwiw, if you don't mind buying used an avs member is selling his ascend acoustics cmt 340 se's and cmt 340 se center for$500 in the audio classifiedhttp://www.avsforum.com/t/1469487/ascend-340-front-speakers

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Anyone have any thoughts on Martin Logan Motion 10's? Are they neutral? Favor bass, mids, highs? Opinions welcome

Also Monitor audio

How are they voiced?
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This sucks to have to say and I wish it was different (maybe?....maybe that's what makes music interesting to some degree), but many people are going to hear each speaker a little differently. You might hear it the same or close to someone else, but if a person comments about a speaker you're interested in and their setup is different (hearing, room layout and acoustics, etc) then you might have a completely different take on them. For the most part people seem to feel the same ways about a speaker, but there are still differences to each person with a speaker setup. Literally the only way to be able to tell if you'll be satisfied is to listen to the speakers IN YOUR HOME. The next best thing? Just to listen to them! Hell, most don't even get that opportunity lol. You can definitely take a few things into perspective though like measurements, customer service, pricing, etc etc. It's a sick game, but if you order something you've never heard you just might not like it. You might love it though! Who knows. Only you.

Haven't heard MA or the Motion 10's, but I know the BB near me has a lot of the Motion stuff so you might get lucky with one near you. When I was looking into the RX-6's I found a few people describe them as a little brighter than what they and most others called 'neutral' speakers. I might have liked them, but I might not have. I'm sure they're good speakers for someone

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IF you want bright and forward just go and get some Klipsch reference. Whatever you can afford.

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Wasn't able to view the Klipsch Reference today but I will tomorrow. BB only has four speakers Klipsch Synergy, Klipsch F, Pioneer and Polk Monitors. That's it. Absolutely loaded with speakers but all of the same speaker line.

I am just going to spend the gas and drive for a few hours to the nearest big city to find what I like. Should be many authorized retailers of every speaker imaginable there. Thanks everyone.

When I find what I like I will try to update this thread. Might be a week or two but I will eventually.
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