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Hey everyone,

I'm looking to upgrade my speaker system, and want to spend $1000 on speakers including sub and another 500 or so on the receiver. I think it's worth pointing out that I am a HUGE movie fanatic, so that's what they'll be used for 99% of the time. I'm not an audiophile, heck I'm not even sure I could tell the difference between a HTIB or an entry level true speaker setup (I'd like to think so though), but I do of course want the best value for my money. The room these will be sitting in (for the time being) is roughly 20x20.

Currently I'm considering these, which seem to be the more popular choices in terms of whats available to me (I'm in Canada, so prices aren't as cheap as my American friends plus speakers seem harder to find)


Receiver: Marantz NR1403 or Denon 1713 (Denon is a touch cheaper but sold out atm and my last receiver is finished, so this purchase is coming first for my mcs90 set)


Fronts: Infinity P363
Rears: Infinity P153 (cant find P163)
Center: Infinity PC251 (cant find 351)

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JAMO S606

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JBL Loft 50 towers, loft20 center, loft 30 bookshelf


The cheapest cost wise out of this bunch would be the Jamo's followed by the Primus.
As for the sub, I have no ideas right now.
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If you like movies, defintely get a good sub. ryhtmik Lv12r or SVS PB-1000 would be my recommendations.

Look at Andrew Jones designed Pioneer speakers too.

You could squeeze Emptek E5Ci center and 4x the E5Bi bookshelves and just go a bit over budget.

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Thanks! I'll keep my eyes open, but I'm not sure how easy I'll be able to find Emptek in Canada (the few sites I know of don't seem to carry them).
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They sell Internet direct. You can call or email to see if they ship to Canada

http://emptek.com/index.php

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Perfect I'll give them a shout. Only concern is I won't be able to actually listen to these, so I'll have to read a bunch of reviews lol
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Hey everyone,

I'm looking to upgrade my speaker system, and want to spend $1000 on speakers including sub and another 500 or so on the receiver. I think it's worth pointing out that I am a HUGE movie fanatic, so that's what they'll be used for 99% of the time. I'm not an audiophile, heck I'm not even sure I could tell the difference between a HTIB or an entry level true speaker setup (I'd like to think so though), but I do of course want the best value for my money. The room these will be sitting in (for the time being) is roughly 20x20.

Currently I'm considering these, which seem to be the more popular choices in terms of whats available to me (I'm in Canada, so prices aren't as cheap as my American friends plus speakers seem harder to find)


Receiver: Marantz NR1403 or Denon 1713 (Denon is a touch cheaper but sold out atm and my last receiver is finished, so this purchase is coming first for my mcs90 set)


Fronts: Infinity P363
Rears: Infinity P153 (cant find P163)
Center: Infinity PC251 (cant find 351)

or

JAMO S606

or

JBL Loft 50 towers, loft20 center, loft 30 bookshelf


The cheapest cost wise out of this bunch would be the Jamo's followed by the Primus.
As for the sub, I have no ideas right now.

I wonder how this would do:

http://www.amazon.com/Infinity-Primus-363-Theater-Speaker/dp/B009OJSFRS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1375066356&sr=8-1&keywords=Infinity+Primus+363+-+5.0

along with: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078&Tpk=RW-12D
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You may be able to get the older Denon 1712 for under $350 and put the savings into the speakers.

You did not say, but I assume you are going for 5.1 not 7.1. You'll get better sound quality for the money with 5.1.

I would try to budget $350 for a receiver, $500-550 for a sub, and $600-650 for speakers.

You have a problem though. Your room is large and square. Bass tends to be very hard to control in a square room. You may need room treatments, which I cannot advise you on. Also, for movies, I don't know of any subs that will fill your room for movies in your price range. If you have 8' ceilings, the HSU VTF-1 at $419 +shipping may do. The HSU VTF-2 at $529 +shipping might be a better choice. I think that people with more experience with subs in square rooms will recommend two subs, which is outside your price range right now.

Good luck.
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You may be able to get the older Denon 1712 for under $350 and put the savings into the speakers.

You did not say, but I assume you are going for 5.1 not 7.1. You'll get better sound quality for the money with 5.1.

I would try to budget $350 for a receiver, $500-550 for a sub, and $600-650 for speakers.

You have a problem though. Your room is large and square. Bass tends to be very hard to control in a square room. You may need room treatments, which I cannot advise you on. Also, for movies, I don't know of any subs that will fill your room for movies in your price range. If you have 8' ceilings, the HSU VTF-1 at $419 +shipping may do. The HSU VTF-2 at $529 +shipping might be a better choice. I think that people with more experience with subs in square rooms will recommend two subs, which is outside your price range right now.

Good luck.

Yes, going with 5.1. As for the sub, the room is definitely not ideal, but will be temporary. Where it'll move to next (room size) I don't know, but I guess all I can do is get the best for my budget as it stands.
As for the receiver, the Denon 1713 is on sale for under $350, but looks like its sold out. I'm going to go tomorrow to see what I can do.

I appreciate the advice.
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With a small budget like you have i would look for used. You can find really amazing deals and get a 3 or 4k system for 1k if you wait for deals.

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Klipsch 5.1 RF-42 II package plus Yamaha RX-V475 receiver for $1,199.00.
http://www.audiogurus.com/klipsch-rf-42-ii-ht-package.html

I think this is a good deal considering I just spent $1,015 +tax and I didn't get a sub or a receiver.

I don't have the surround speakers from this package (I went with in-wall instead), but I do have the RF-42ii center and front L/R towers. I negotiated mine for about $615 +tax on the towers and center channel (most online prices add up to $850). I believe the surrounds are an additional $250-$350/pair. The only con about the towers is that the bass somewhat lacks, but all is fine with a sub. I love the clarity and rich sound these put out. My living room is smaller 10x18 so I opt'd for the 42's which are the smallest of the RF series.
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I would take a look at Home Theater Direct (HTD). They are popular speakers and well reviewed, have a no-risk 30-day trial, and ship to Canada. You could get the Level 3 bookshelves, Level 3 center, and use a pair of the Level 2 bookshelves for surrounds. This puts you at $700. The Premier Acoustic PA-150 sub is a good option here because it has a high output and that would be helpful in your large space. I believe www.acousticsounddesign.com will accept an offer of $350 for it. If not, the SVS PB-1000 that was recommended is a good option, or a pair of the Klipsch RW-12D subs from www.newegg.com would also work well. Spend the remaining $300-400 on a receiver, something with Audyssey MultEQ or better is ideal. That 1713 would be a good option, or the 1913 if you ever want 7.1.

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I would take a look at Home Theater Direct (HTD). They are popular speakers and well reviewed, have a no-risk 30-day trial, and ship to Canada. You could get the Level 3 bookshelves, Level 3 center, and use a pair of the Level 2 bookshelves for surrounds. This puts you at $700. The Premier Acoustic PA-150 sub is a good option here because it has a high output and that would be helpful in your large space. I believe www.acousticsounddesign.com will accept an offer of $350 for it. If not, the SVS PB-1000 that was recommended is a good option, or a pair of the Klipsch RW-12D subs from www.newegg.com would also work well. Spend the remaining $300-400 on a receiver, something with Audyssey MultEQ or better is ideal. That 1713 would be a good option, or the 1913 if you ever want 7.1.

How does the HTD compare to the Primus?
I was able to find the P163 and PC351. If I were to build these, the Primus would cost me the same as the HTD, give or take ten bucks wink.gif

Also, is there a big difference between the level 2 and level 3 bookshelves. I'd consider going over budget if there was a large enough difference.


Thanks for the ideas everyone.
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I haven't heard the HTD myself, but they compare very closely to my EMP speakers. A member on here did a great write-up that would be worth reading. I recommend them because they ship to Canada and will pay return shipping as well, so it's worth a shot to try them. I would say they are probably a better speaker than the Primus, but not leaps and bounds. The Level 3 speakers use a ribbon-tweeter, I believe audioholics did a review of the HTD speakers that would be worth reading.

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I highly recommend going with the svs pb-1000 for your sub. I have a 4400 cubic foot room, and the pb fills it perfectly. The bass is deep and controlled. The best part is SVS's customer guarantee. You get a 45 day trial with the sub, and if you don't like it, you could ship it back for free. You can also upgrade to a better model sub within a year of purchase and use the older sub as credit toward the purchase. Now, being new to home theatre, I think you will be blown away by the pb-1000 and won't want to upgrade anyway, so I definitely think you should go with it for a primarily home theatre application. It literally goes down to 19hz.
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Thanks everyone.
I contacted HTD and the service was awesome. They helped me decide to go with the Level TWOs since my setup was for HT and not for music. With that said I thought I'd get some advice from you audiophiles...

I was thinking originally of going with x4 bookshelves and the center with a SVS pb-1000. But for $50 more (because I'd need x2 stands for the bookshelves) I can grab the towers instead. Am I right to assume that the towers will help me fill the room a bit more with bass (large room 20x20 roughly). I know in theory I need 2 subs but that's not in the budget.

So am I better off with the towers or is there really no difference for the $50?
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You will probably get a bunch of opinions. It looks like the towers have a higher sensitivity rating (90 vs. 87). That means they will need less amp power to play loud. Also, when pushed hard having more surface area with a extra driver should be a good thing. I would go with the towers myself, especially for mostly movie watching.

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With a $1,500 budget, I would definitely go with either the PB-1000 or LV12R for the sub. For a receiver, I would lean towards the Denon 1712 or 1713 as they include MultEQ XT, maybe used to save a few bucks. As for speakers with what's left, there are so many great speakers to choose from. One thought is to check out Ascend Acoustics as you could get a discount with a packaged deal of their speakers and the LV12R sub.
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Thanks everyone.
I contacted HTD and the service was awesome. They helped me decide to go with the Level TWOs since my setup was for HT and not for music. With that said I thought I'd get some advice from you audiophiles...

I was thinking originally of going with x4 bookshelves and the center with a SVS pb-1000. But for $50 more (because I'd need x2 stands for the bookshelves) I can grab the towers instead. Am I right to assume that the towers will help me fill the room a bit more with bass (large room 20x20 roughly). I know in theory I need 2 subs but that's not in the budget.

So am I better off with the towers or is there really no difference for the $50?

Congrats on your new speakers, get the towers for sure if you have the money biggrin.gif

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Sorry to revive this thread. First off speaker/sub combo is fantastic, loving it. The one thing I find weird is that there is basically no volume (denon avr-e300) until it hits around 30 (0-100). Gets plenty loud at around 60, so I find the range of 30-60 kind of weird. Is this normal? I've run the setup with the mic and let it do its calculations. Dynamic Vol is off, though I don't notice much difference even if I turn it on.

Thanks again

Edit: I should note that playing blurays through my ps3 gets a louder sound then when watching TV in HD (maybe a range of 20-60, but 60 is getting real loud).
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