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I just bought a pair of Genesis 5.3 Loudspeakers (in Titanium) and I will be powering them with my Mcintosh 8207 200 watt x7-channel amp. These are the speakers http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/gcable_loudspeaker.html. I also bought the matching center channel and a pair of matching surround monopole speakers. The Genesis website recommends only using their interconnects for their speakers for a number of reasons... http://www.genesisloudspeakers.com/gcable_loudspeaker.html. I AM NO EXPERT ABOUT CABLES AND COULD REALLY USE SOME ADVISING HERE FROM SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEY ARE TALKING ABOUT.
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"When compared to general-purpose loudspeaker cables, the Absolute Fidelity Loudspeaker interface has much better micro-dynamic resolution. As a result, the decay of notes is more extended and the music has better tonal color. Bass is also tighter, more tuneful, and has better pace and rhythm. The coherence makes the various singers and players in an orchestra or band gel together better to bring about a much better musical performance."

 

That is simply hogwash. They only want you to buy their product at an elevated price.


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That is simply hogwash. They only want you to buy their product at an elevated price.
+1. There isn't a shred of truth in their advertising. mad.gif There's enough BS in that link to fertilize every cornfield in Nebraska.
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You have to be skeptical of a company's entire product line when they don't understand enough about physics to buy into super speaker cables.
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You have to be skeptical of a company's entire product line when they don't understand enough about physics to buy into super speaker cables.
It's not a matter of what they understand, it's a matter of profit margins. But that does raise a legitimate question as to what their speakers are really worth, versus what they charge for them.
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The horse poop is mighty deep in their product pages.
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Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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Nice looking speakers. I like the 12 woofers. biggrin.gif

But their cables look like some Monoprice cables w/ Tech Flex and heat shrink tubes. biggrin.gif

Like everyone says, cables are cables. Monoprice will sound as good as any other cables.

But if you like better aesthetic, you might look at Kimber Kable 8PR cables, which costs $132 for a pair of bare wire (but prepared, stripped, ready to connect to speakers/amps).

http://www.thecableco.com/Product/8PR

There is no sound improvement, just for aesthetic to match your beautiful looking speakers. biggrin.gif
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You might look at Kimber Kable 8PR cables, which costs $132 for a pair of bare wire (but prepared, stripped, ready to connect to speakers/amps).

I believe Kimber uses Neotech wire, or no?
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$26k on speakers.... I would expect a discount on interconnects. With no discount I would go with something from monoprice. I would check them carefully before I used them though.
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$26k on speakers.....

Thats just the L/R ones....and then $6K on an amp. But he cant figure out what to buy for speaker wire. rolleyes.gif
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The coherence makes the various singers and players in an orchestra or band gel together better to bring about a much better musical performance.
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Why not go to Home Depot / Lowes and buy some $30/100 foot 12g low voltage outdoor lighting wire?

 

Give it a whirl....  if it sounds fabulous on your speakers, you will better understand the hype.  If it sounds like crap, you can start a summer/fall project for the wife and get those exterior lights installed.

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Why not go to Home Depot / Lowes and buy some $30/100 foot 12g low voltage outdoor lighting wire?

Give it a whirl....  if it sounds fabulous on your speakers, you will better understand the hype.  If it sounds like crap, you can start a summer/fall project for the wife and get those exterior lights installed.

Now that is funny.

If I spent $26,000 on speakers I would use only the best speaker wires and connectors, Monster Cable comes to mind.
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Now that is funny.

If I spent $26,000 on speakers I would use only the best speaker wires and connectors, Monster Cable comes to mind.

Monster cables are complete and total garbage. Not garbage for the price, just garbage. I have literally never had a single interconnect break on me that wasn't Monster Cable and of their cables, at least 4 HDMI, a few digital coax, and two digital optical. Those just the ones I can remember for sure. Why did I keep using their cables? Because I worked in AV retail and I had to for certain displays.

They also bring lawsuits against anyone who says the word "Monster" without paying they royalties. Companies they've sued included: Monster Vintage (clothing store), Monster Inc., Monster Garage TV show, Monster Energy, Monster.com, Monster Mini Golf.
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+1 for the Coat Hangar Wire....all the way!

Notes just seem to "hang" in the air, and the world hasn't heard such "Choclatey" vocals since Augustus Gloop fell into the River at Wonka's Factory.

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If I spent $26,000 on speakers I would use only the best speaker wires and connectors,.
That's OK, but the most expensive isn't the best. If you spend more than a dollar a foot on wire and five bucks each for connectors you're spending more than you need to for 'the best'. For that matter even that price is on the high side, being that it allows for some bling factor. Pretty wires and connectors may be worth paying more for to some, but the sound won't be any better. What does matter is resistance, capacitance and inductance, and nothing else. A dollar a foot or less will give resistance, capacitance and inductance values that cannot be audibly surpassed. OTOH many so-called high end cables have resistance, capacitance and inductance values that don't even match those of common zip cord.
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Absolutely, 100% Spot-On Bill.

Regardless of claims to the contrary, and Quantum-VooDoo Science..... Speaker cables, and component interconnects are bound by the laws of Science.

As Bill clearly states, DC Resistance, Inductance & Capacitance are the whole Banana.

With Speaker Cables being involved in a Low Impedance circuit, noise pickup isn't an issue, so shielding isn't necessary, but LOW resistance IS, and stray capacitance and Inductance are also very unwelcome. These L/C's form another "circuit"' between the Amp and Speaker , and there have been instances of certain amplifier/speaker cable combinations that could go into destructive oscillations because of it. Good & Tight. Clean terminations on the shortest piece of speaker wire you can reasonably manage goes a long way.

Interconnects are affected by the same factors, with Capacitance being a biggie in my book. Many "Gourmet" interconnects have GOBS of shunt Capacitance, and this forms a Low Pass Filter. The effect is "Sweetened" Trebles.....same as turning down the Treble Knob on a 40yr old receiver would do. Proper Shielding IS an issue with Interconnects, and this combined with good lead "dress" (Keeping Interconnects away from AC Cables, etc) prevents Hum/Noise from entering the chain.

Since NO self-respecting audiophile would EVER consider using tone controls......Shaping the tone via mega-buck interconnects is the accepted method.

Very High Quality Speaker Cables & Interconnects can be had for a puny fraction of the cost

And then....at the end of the day.....THINK about it.....

HOW can "X" cable "reveal" so much information that wasn't ALREADY there???

Gee Whiz Golly. Imagine that delicate signal surviving the trek through all sorts of crappy processors, and miles of spool wire on it's way to your CD/DVD.....only to be LOST by the last 3 feet of interconnect.

I smell poop, so I'm gonna throw a B.S. Flag on that play!!

Quality is easy to get. You don't have to pay a lot either.

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Since NO self-respecting audiophile would EVER consider using tone controls......Shaping the tone via mega-buck interconnects is the accepted method.
No uninformed oddiophool you mean, who apparently have no clue what they listen to is mixed on in the first place:


I wonder what they think all those knobs are for? wink.gif

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Thats just the L/R ones....and then $6K on an amp. But he cant figure out what to buy for speaker wire. rolleyes.gif
LOL. biggrin.gif
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I believe Kimber uses Neotech wire, or no?

I have absolutely no idea. But they look really damn good to me. biggrin.gifsmile.gif

And for $26K speakers, I don't think $130/PR of Kimber Kable is that terrible. wink.gif
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Thats just the L/R ones....and then $6K on an amp. But he cant figure out what to buy for speaker wire. rolleyes.gif

Well, L/R speakers plus twelve 12" sub drivers. eek.gifbiggrin.gif
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And for $26K speakers, I don't think $130/PR of Kimber Kable is that terrible. wink.gif
I drive a $26K car. I don't buy $130 wiper blades for it. tongue.gif
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I drive a $26K car. I don't buy $130 wiper blades for it. tongue.gif

We spend money on what we desire.

They actually have wiper blades that cost $130? Damn. eek.gif
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Don't forget the ethernet cables!

PS - How do I properly please my super model girlfriend? I can't ever remember. . .
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Don't forget the ethernet cables!

PS - How do I properly please my super model girlfriend? I can't ever remember. . .
Beat her until she stops complaining.
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Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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First, you'll need all new power cords, you may want to replace some outlets:
http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/departments.asp?dept=59

All speaker wires and interconnects should be lifted off the ground:
http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/products.asp?dept=136

And you should definitely bi-wire.

As for the cable itself, you should get the best you can get - afterall there is a 30-day money-back guarantee.
http://shop.mapleshadestore.com/departments.asp?dept=58

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At a minimum, you should get some speaker wire with time-correction:
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/MCU2s60040/MONSTER-CABLE-S600-40-40ft-Thx-Speaker-Cable-w/Time-Correct-Windings/1.html

OR...
...just get the cheap stuff and see if you can hear a problem.
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No uninformed oddiophool you mean, who apparently have no clue what they listen to is mixed on in the first place:


I wonder what they think all those knobs are for? wink.gif

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We spend money on what we desire.

They actually have wiper blades that cost $130? Damn. eek.gif[


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There are lots of examples of people spending gobs of money for products that aren't better then much cheaper ones.
Watches , shoes , etc.

Actually I bought a 80 buck pair of wiper blades that lasted twice as long and did a much better job , could see better. My vehicle was 26k too
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