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Hi guys,

I'm looking to setup a 7.1 surround that will be used 75% sports and tv and 25% movies. I'm looking for the most I can get for a $2000 budget. I appreciated your advice, insights, and opinions.
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There are a lot of ways to go with a $2k 7.1 system. I think a high bang for your buck package can be had with a Hsu 7.1 package. You might also look at Infinity Primus speakers, Ascend CBM-170s, and EMP tek's Impression speakers.
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Do you have multiple rows of seating like a movie theater? If not you dont need 7.1, 5.1 works just fine. How big is your room, and how far away are you sitting? Is your center channel placement limited to a certain size?
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Do you have multiple rows of seating like a movie theater? If not you dont need 7.1, 5.1 works just fine. How big is your room, and how far away are you sitting? Is your center channel placement limited to a certain size?

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I don't think a lot, if any sports, are broadcast in 7.1.

http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0086/becoming-de-facto-standard-in-hd-sports/216456

Also, while there is some 7.1 movie programming, most of it is 5.1.

Fewer but better speakers can be a very valid strategy.
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Jay, its going to be more like a media room. We will only be sitting about 10-11 feet back. My center channel is not limited on size.
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Jay, its going to be more like a media room. We will only be sitting about 10-11 feet back. My center channel is not limited on size.

So something like this would work for you?



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i.e. that is an "ideal" LCR setup
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It sounds like 5.1 will work better for me. What kind of speakers are those?
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B&W, but that isnt important. The real question is do you have a typical tv stand that your center channel needs to sit on?
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I dont have anything yet or stand. I'm just open to getting the best 5.1 for my money
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Here is an one set of ideas:

A Power Sound sub of your choice, ported or sealed:

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xs15

http://www.powersoundaudio.com/collections/power-x/products/xv15

Ascend 340's for fronts, a 340 SE C for a center and a pair of 170's for rears.

http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/purchase/advisor.mv#bottom

All this comes in a bit less than $2K, plus both have a 30 day trial.

Like I said, this is just one suggestion.
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Nice. So what you want to do is place 3 identical speakers for your LCR, and have your tv mounted right above the top of your center speaker. You can get speakers that arent very tall to make things work better (monitors on stands are very easy to make work). You could then for example get a couple of these to place on either side of the center speaker to hold your equipment

http://www.amazon.com/Sonax-C-001-SFT-Fillmore-Midnight-Component/dp/B0071IMM5K/ref=sr_1_5?s=furniture&ie=UTF8&qid=1375556818&sr=1-5&keywords=audio+rack
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If you call AVS you can get the Klipsch for a nice discount, here's a setup

Three of these with a set of three 16" stands. The stands will put the top of the speakers at 35".
http://shop.avscience.com/Klipsch-RB-81-II-Bookshelf-Speaker-Black_p_399.html

You would have to buy 2 pairs of stands, but they're only $25pr
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-764

For surrounds a pair of these will get the job done
http://shop.avscience.com/Klipsch-RB-41-II-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black--Pair_p_402.html

Sub
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-770

Receiver (click on "used" and you can get one for $90 off)
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1713-Networking-Receiver-Outputs/dp/B007R8U5W6/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1375558066&sr=1-9&keywords=denon+1912
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If you call AVS you can get the Klipsch for a nice discount, here's a setup

Three of these with a set of three 16" stands. The stands will put the top of the speakers at 35".
http://shop.avscience.com/Klipsch-RB-81-II-Bookshelf-Speaker-Black_p_399.html

You would have to buy 2 pairs of stands, but they're only $25pr
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=240-764

For surrounds a pair of these will get the job done
http://shop.avscience.com/Klipsch-RB-41-II-Bookshelf-Speakers-Black--Pair_p_402.html

Sub
http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-770

Receiver (click on "used" and you can get one for $90 off)
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1713-Networking-Receiver-Outputs/dp/B007R8U5W6/ref=sr_1_9?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1375558066&sr=1-9&keywords=denon+1912

Another good option for speakers.

But this would be a better deal for the receiver:

http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1713/DENON-AVR-1713-5.1ch-Networking-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-Ready/1.html

It is from an authorized dealer with a warranty.
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These are all awesome suggestions guys and I appreciate your help. I'm actually thinking I want floorstanding speakers only for the front surrounds. I want to mount the center channel and will also mount the rear surrounds. What would be awesome speakers for the floorstanding front surrounds? Also I've looked over both your suggestions bladerunner and jay on setups. I understand its a matter of opinion to each individual person, but could you guys each give me the points on why you like the klipsch and the Ascend speakers? They both look like awesome deals, I'm just looking for something to sway me one way or the other with of course the bottom line being the best 5.1 system for my money.
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These are all awesome suggestions guys and I appreciate your help. I'm actually thinking I want floorstanding speakers only for the front surrounds. I want to mount the center channel and will also mount the rear surrounds. What would be awesome speakers for the floorstanding front surrounds? Also I've looked over both your suggestions bladerunner and jay on setups. I understand its a matter of opinion to each individual person, but could you guys each give me the points on why you like the klipsch and the Ascend speakers? They both look like awesome deals, I'm just looking for something to sway me one way or the other with of course the bottom line being the best 5.1 system for my money.

What type of video system do you have? Is the video equipment already purchased? That's a huge variable in terms of what the best layout is going to be.

We just did an open media room for a client on a budget and it came out spectacularly.

VIDEO:
- Epson 8350 Projector $1299
- 120" Acoustically Transparent Screen(lots of manufacturers for this) $1000

AUDIO:
- 3 Revel W253L In-walls mounted behind the screen ($300 each). Total $900 for all 3 MSRP, http://www.revelspeakers.com/Products/Details/212
- 1 pair of Revel C253 in ceiling for surorunds ($350 a pair) http://www.revelspeakers.com/Products/Details/196
- 1 RBH S12 12" subwoofer: $700 http://rbhsound.com/s12.php

TOTAL SPEAKER COST: $1950 . And that's going by MSRP. There's certainly room for a client to negotiate a little.

Add a Yamaha Aventage RX-A730 Receiver $699 MSRP and a decent Remote and you've got an awesome system for watching sports and movies or listening to music.

Even if you had a flat panel TV these in-walls would look appropriate. The turned sideways for under the TV, the W253L easily fits into a typical 16" on center stud bay. With your budget, in-wall speakers (with the exception of the sub) are going to give you a superior sound over floor standing or box speakers. Particularly with a line like Revel. They don't make anything sub par. We had these going in a lower level that was quite large and they played loud, clean, and smooth. Brilliant entry level speakers. The RBH Sub is incredible at $700. Powerful enough and ultra detailed.
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I'm actually thinking I want floorstanding speakers only for the front surrounds. I want to mount the center channel and will also mount the rear surrounds ... could you guys each give me the points on why you like the klipsch and the Ascend speakers ...

You've got great suggestions from Plex and Blade already, and +1 on forum sponsor AVScience as an excellent dealer. I just bought from them and couldn't be happier.

To give you more options, here are two manufacturers that are consumer direct that offer full 5.1 options in your price range, delivered, with both also offering multiple finish options, including cherry veneers:

Axiom: http://www.axiomaudio.com/wizardv2_results_disp.php?A1and2=D&A4=M&A3=F&A5=M&A6=8&A7=A&A8=-17

HTD: http://www.htd.com/Products/level-three-speakers

Both manufacturers offer a 30 day at home trial. Both manufacturers offer 5 year warranties.

On why Blade and Plex like Klipsch, Revel and Ascend speakers, they think they sound great at the price point. Accurate. Efficient. Look good or fit good or both.

They've pretty much given you all the help they can. Now it's up to you. Research your tail off. You've got good leads. Look in this forum and elsewhere using those manufacturer names as search terms. Read what all kinds of owners and listeners say about those products. It's going to take hours and hours, but it's only a tiny fraction of the time you're about to spend listening to the speakers, so it's worth it. Only consuming that information in volume can help you. (Listening to the speakers would be the best option, of course, but auditioning is't possible on many brands for most of us.)

You've probably done this next part some, but carefully consider the exact dimensions of each speaker on your list. Consider exactly where and how it will fit in your room in all three dimensions. Use tape measures, chairs, empty boxes, whatever you have available to visualize what each option would look like, and fit like, in the room. Obsess a little. When you do, a number of things are probably going to occur to you that you haven't thought of yet.

I just bought a bunch of speakers and that ended up being so important -- really nailing down the exact geometry of the room, where ear-level would be for all the seating positions, where the speakers would exactly be placed, whether speakers with different dimensions would help certain seats get a better sonic experience. Every speaker is shaped a little differently. Some a lot differently. One combination is going to fit better in your space than another. Make sure you've done everything you can so that, when the actual product arrives, and you get everything out of the box and placed exactly where it is going to be, you don't have an "Oh crap, I didn't think about that" moment.

Here's one example. You want to wall mount your center channel speaker. I did too. Have you already checked where your studs are along that wall? Are they on center with your display? Exactly how far apart are they? Exactly how wide are your various center channel speaker options? Does one or the other speaker include mounting brackets? Or make any provision for a bracket to be attached? How far apart will your drill points be? Will you be going into sheetrock there, or stud? How much do your various speaker options weigh? Is it even possible to support that specific speaker safely on a pure sheetrock mount, and how would you do that? Is building a center channel speaker shelf a better option. A necessity?

Those are some of the issues, on one speaker. You've got a lot of work to do, but it's the fun part, so enjoy it. It's also the part that will determine whether your project turns out the way you hope it will or not.

I hope it does. Good luck! biggrin.gif
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Mogrub thank you for offering your advice. I appreciate the time you took to help me out. My next question is about speaker wire. What kind, what guage, and what size to use with these good speaker choices.?
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The emp impression series e55ti, e56ci, es1010i, and e5bi 5.1 with a onkyo 818 is the best value bar none, the empteks are better quality speakers than everything else mentioned here. And the onkyo 818 is a serious performer, that is best 2k setup than can bought period!
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Mogrub thank you for offering your advice. I appreciate the time you took to help me out. My next question is about speaker wire. What kind, what guage, and what size to use with these good speaker choices.?
Regular speaker wire found at home depot, or any other electronics store. 14 guage.
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I would strongly recommend a forum sponsor for your speaker wire, and that's www.monoprice.com. Not because they are a sponsor. Though that doesn't hurt. Monoprice offers better quality and lower pricing than any brick and mortar retail outlet can provide. 👍

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I would strongly recommend a forum sponsor for your speaker wire, and that's www.monoprice.com. Not because they are a sponsor. Though that doesn't hurt. Monoprice offers better quality and lower pricing than any brick and mortar retail outlet can provide. 👍

Curios define better quality wire? Not starting anything I just would like to know in what way you consider it better?
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Curios define better quality wire? Not starting anything I just would like to know in what way you consider it better?

I think he meant the highest quality low cost cable?
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I think he meant the highest quality low cost cable?

But that's just my question plex. What makes that mono price wire any better at all?
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I think he meant the highest quality low cost cable?

Exactly Plex, more gauge per penny.

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The emp impression series e55ti, e56ci, es1010i, and e5bi 5.1 with a onkyo 818 is the best value bar none, the empteks are better quality speakers than everything else mentioned here. And the onkyo 818 is a serious performer, that is best 2k setup than can bought period!

I'll second that. What makes these speakers such a great bargain is that they are designed by a fine speaker company, made in China for low cost and then sold to the public directly with no retail markup. I'm certain you would have pay twice their price to get comparable performance from speakers sold in electronics or audio stores. I say this because I own and use them myself. Here's a shot.

[img]The major complaint is that the bass isn't very loud. It's great for a jazz lover like me but a rocker might consider them light in the bass. A subwoofer will solve that in an instant. The two mids and the tweeter you see in MTM configuration are as good as most speakers costing twice as much. As to your other questions, it makes sense to have the center channel sonically similar to the main speakers. Even though they mostly deliver dialogue, some of the content will mix with the mains. It isn;t super critical but it is a good idea. The surrounds don't really matter. They only deliver sound effects - slamming car doors, dogs barking, helicopters, things like that. All you need in the surrounds is accuracy. I use pro audio recording monitors for my surrounds.
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