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I currently own a pair of RF62 II , RC52 II, and a pair of RS10 driven by Pioneer 1522K. This basic setup works ok for me but like most of us, I am always looking to upgrade cheaply smile.gif. I am getting a pretty good deal locally on RF7 pair (not the RF7 II), and RC7. Provided the upgrade(?) if cost is something I can afford, do you think there will be an improvement in sound? Significant or minimal? I do 50/50 on music/movies. Use 2.1 only for music. Any feedback appreciated!
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The RF-7/RC-7 will be a substantial upgrade to what you have but to get full benifit you may need to upgrade your AVR.
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The RF-7/RC-7 will be a substantial upgrade to what you have but to get full benifit you may need to upgrade your AVR.

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I'm curious regarding which AVR would you recommend as I have the same 1522 receiver.

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I just googled that particular AVR and see that it supports 4 Ohm loads and it may suffice...That said, it also has preouts, so if the AVR can't handle the impedance dips of the RF-7/RC-7 which go as low as 2.8 Ohms at certain frequencies (above 80 Hz) and/or the OP wants louder volume an external amp could be added...

Fwiw, I picked up a Discontinued Denon AVR-4311ci from OneCall.com last month for $1299 and it drives my 9.2 setup very well in our less than 2,000 cu ft HT.
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I currently own a pair of RF62 II , RC52 II, and a pair of RS10 driven by Pioneer 1522K...

FYI, If you purchase the RF-7/RC-7 for up front, you could move your RF-62s as side surrounds...Again, YMMV but I run that front soundstage along with the older (and larger) RF-3 towers (and RB-75 'mini-towers' as rears) and mostly listen to multichannel music and haven't felt the need to upgrade in 10 years.
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I just googled that particular AVR and see that it supports 4 Ohm loads and it may suffice...That said, it also has preouts, so if the AVR can't handle the impedance dips of the RF-7/RC-7 which go as low as 2.8 Ohms at certain frequencies (above 80 Hz) and/or the OP wants louder volume an external amp could be added...

Fwiw, I picked up a Discontinued Denon AVR-4311ci from OneCall.com last month for $1299 and it drives my 9.2 setup very well in our less than 2,000 cu ft HT.

Thanks Zen,

I recently purchased the RF-82 II's and hopefully the 1522 will be future proof if and when I upgrade to the RF-7 maybe in a couple of years.
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Thanks for all the inputs!

Pioneer 1522k is quite a beefy receiver w D3 amps. They are very often compared with Denon 4311 or 4205 and are considered the same class. I am hoping it can drive the RF7s well.

Any feedback if bi-amping the speakers will help in this situation, since the speakers are 250 watts rms and amp is 135/channel? Not that I will run at full capacity, just curious.
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If you are going to use the stock crossover, it wont do much, if any good. I would just run one set of wires.
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Thanks for all the inputs!

Pioneer 1522k is quite a beefy receiver w D3 amps. They are very often compared with Denon 4311 or 4205 and are considered the same class. I am hoping it can drive the RF7s well.

Any feedback if bi-amping the speakers will help in this situation, since the speakers are 250 watts rms and amp is 135/channel? Not that I will run at full capacity, just curious.

The 135 watts is only driving 2 channels @1khz. The more channels you add the less power per channel. Biamping is essentially using more amp channels and will have no audible benefit. In fact is may degrade the sound at higher output.
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Thanks all!
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I know this is not the same question but I had one that was similar. What about the RF 83's vs RF 82II? I'm looking to build a system and I have a chance to buy some very good taken care of RF 83's..
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The RF-83s also would be a considerable upgrade to the RF-82s, but if you want to use these for Home Theater or Multichannel music you would want to find an RC-64 (probably not the RC-64II) to use as a center channel.
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The RF-83s also would be a considerable upgrade to the RF-82s, but if you want to use these for Home Theater or Multichannel music you would want to find an RC-64 (probably not the RC-64II) to use as a center channel.

Why is that...? The RC-64II would be too much? Are they only better with RF-7II's??
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Why is that...? The RC-64II would be too much? Are they only better with RF-7II's??

The RF-83/RC-64 were a warmer front soundstage than the RF-7/RC-7 and each center was voice-matched to the appropriate tower...the RC-64II uses a larger compression driver for the horn and I assume Klipsch went back to the RF-7II with the 4th Generation Reference because folks wanted the crisper (imo, cleaner) upper end of the originals.

That said, I have not heard the RF-7II/RC-64II but have the RF-7/RC-7 and compared them to the RF-83/RC-64 and is where I came up with my opinion (as well as it's what others expressed after hearing both sets).

Btw, having not heard them together (RF-83/RC-64II) I am not saying it wouldn't work, because people's expectations are different and YMMV...Now for something completely different: Before they came out Steve Phillips of Klipsch said he ran the RB-75s (bookshelf version of the RF-7s) with the original RC-64 and he said he really like it....After their release I posed the question about how the RC-64 would do with the Original RF-7s and Trey Cannon of Klipsch said it wasn't something he would do....

So there you have it--3 different opinions in one post. If one were serious in going this route (original RF-83s with newer RC-64II) I would ask this question on the Klipsch Forum on their website.
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As far as what I can tell from limited listening sessions the RC-64II is voice matched to the new RF-7II's but I've heard it with RF-83's and RF-82II's and didn't think it overwhelmed them at all. I generally advise staying within the same series if possible (RF-83 + RC-64, RF-7II + RC-64II, etc.) but with good calibration you can overcome a lot. I plan on upgrading to the RF-82II + RC-64II myself and like the combination. As for upgrading to the RF-7 + RC-7, yeah do it! It will be an appreciable upgrade even with that receiver. If you can get a good amp to go along with it all the better.
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As far as what I can tell from limited listening sessions the RC-64II is voice matched to the new RF-7II's but I've heard it with RF-83's and RF-82II's and didn't think it overwhelmed them at all. .

For the record, I agree that it's not about one "overwhelming" the other given their similar Sensitivity ratings but the point I was making is that the RC-64 more than likely has a warmer sound than the newer version....That said, I am thinking there isn't very much difference in the RF-82 and RF-82II and the lower end Klipsch Reference speakers (the ones not made in Hope, Ar, but still nice speakers) do have a brighter sound and may very well work with the newer RC-64II.

I have also seen folks mention that the newer EQing programs in AVRs help match the speakers better but I have no experience doing that with my front soundstage although my side surround RF-3 towers mate well with my RF-7/RC-7 up front and RB-75s as rears...I am also experimenting with using RB-5s as Height Speakers in a 9.2 configuration and feel it adds something, but it may be a psycho-acoustical effect seeing those badboys up there.
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FYI, for those considering the mix-n-matching of original upper-end Reference speakers up front--This may also be an appropriate thread to ask about RF-83s and the newer RC-64II

http://community.klipsch.com/forums/t/175837.aspx
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I own both. I don't think the RC-64 would be necessarily an "upgrade" to the RC-7. The RC-64 and RC-7 sound differently but I don't feel one is "better", they are just different. The RC-7 was made for the RF-7's so I personally wouldn't change it unless you want to go with the RF-83 / RC-64 setup.
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I see what you mean. Yeah, I can see the "warmer" comment. I haven't heard the original RC-64 in a long time though but I'm sure there's something to it.
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Well, I got the RF7 pair in mint condition w original box and grill and RC-7 w original box in super mint condition - all for $1200. I thought it was a good deal. Set it all up and calibrated with MCACC software on the Pioneer. As you all said, it is an appreciable upgrade. Sound is much more open, sound stage is much more realistic. Watched a couple of Blu Rays in THX CINEMA mode and absolutely loved it. The other major change I found was the sound was "brighter" with the RF7/RC7 combo. I like the new much improved sound!

I have two RW12Ds going with the system. I think my next upgrade will be to replace both RW12Ds with one HSU VTF15H.
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Congratulations! Imo, you won't find a better front soundstage at twice the cost.
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