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Let me start off by saying this forum is awesome. The info here has helped me in choosing my TV and my receiver, hopefully I can get some insight about some speakers and a sub.

My equipment so far is a Denon AVR-1913 and a Vizio M601d-a3r. The room is 12x12 and it will be used mostly for movies and gaming. I want to go with bookshelf speakers for now and add a sub later. The speakers will be on stands, wall mounting isnt an option right now. With a budget of $300 ($400 being the most) Ive narrowed it down to four choices:

1. HSU HB-1 MK2
2. Definitive Technology SM350
3. Cambridge Audio S30
4. BIC America DV62si

Any info that could possibly help me to choose between these four would be appreciated also suggestions on a subwoofer that would match up well with any of these speakers. Thanks in advance.
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I don't think the BICs would be in the league of those others, I would cross those off. They might be OK for surround speakers though.
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First, welcome! I hope you find this forum as helpful as I have.

I agree with ShadyJ that nothing from BIC should be on your list (ever).

In that price range I've heard S30's and Infinity Primus 163's and the S30's are incredible. I think the S30 be more than enough speaker for you. My bedroom is 13' x 14.5 and they fill the room incredibly well. I hope you add a sub down the road but until then they'll be a perfect speaker for you.
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Yes I plan to add a sub, anyvsuggestions? Also, should I get a center speaker or not?
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I'm not so sure you should automatically cross the Bic DV 62si off your list. I know Bic doesn't get much attention or praise around these forums, but take a look at the feedback from owners of these speakers. It's hard to find anyone who doesn't think these speakers outperform JBL, Polk, or other larger name brand speakers when they've been able to do a A/B speaker test. I've read/heard people say these outshine their $500-$750 speakers.

They have a good frequency range and the 6" woofers are quite detailed. For $115 for a pair, those would be my choice. Plus, pair that with the 62CLRS for center speaker (or all three of the 62CLRS up front) and you have a very nice system for a low budget.
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I do have suggestions for you. I don't know what your subwoofer budget is. Is it part of the $300? I do not think you need a center channel at this point, in this price range. If you are doing two S30's please consider getting a sub next. I do think you should be looking at a few options but should have a separate budget for it.

I started with BIC F12 and cannot stand it.
I have an SVS SB1000 that I adore and wouldn't trade it with the S30's for anything.
Other companies you can look at for subwoofers are: HSU, PSA, NXG, SVS, Klipsch, and a million others are available now that most assembly occurs in China.

JimWilson is one of my favorite posters on the internet when it comes to learning about subwoofers. He did a review on the NXG and was pleasantly surprised. NXG was also reviewed by SoundVision.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/07/15/review-nxg-nx-bas-500-subwoofer

Look through Jim's posts and threads.
http://www.avsforum.com/u/8284118/jimwilson

One more suggestion, we have a great deals found thread that regularly shares a newegg deal on the Klipsch RW12-D for under $300 I think. Here is what it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078&Tpk=rw-12d
Here is where you can track deals on it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70


Butie102, I am sure they make a fine product but my experience with them vs Cambridge, Monitor, and Infinity tells me that I would never buy another one again. Happy owners are happy when they hear new things and certainly more happy when what they're hearing is significantly better than what they had. That was my experience with BIC but it has lost favor quite quickly.
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I wish i could demo these speakers in person but i have to go off of reviews and youtube vids.
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I have the larger brother to the sm350, the sm450 and they are outstanding for the 200 dollars I paid- really good speaker, and a great choice if you are going w/o a sub for awhile. Watch the sm450s on new egg... Just recently they were 249.00!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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A lot of people recommend listening, I am too much of a home body to go out and listen most of the time.

Here is what helped me make my choice:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1327952/almost-got-floored-by-cambridge-s30
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I do have suggestions for you. I don't know what your subwoofer budget is. Is it part of the $300? I do not think you need a center channel at this point, in this price range. If you are doing two S30's please consider getting a sub next. I do think you should be looking at a few options but should have a separate budget for it.

I started with BIC F12 and cannot stand it.
I have an SVS SB1000 that I adore and wouldn't trade it with the S30's for anything.
Other companies you can look at for subwoofers are: HSU, PSA, NXG, SVS, Klipsch, and a million others are available now that most assembly occurs in China.

JimWilson is one of my favorite posters on the internet when it comes to learning about subwoofers. He did a review on the NXG and was pleasantly surprised. NXG was also reviewed by SoundVision.

http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/blog/2013/07/15/review-nxg-nx-bas-500-subwoofer

Look through Jim's posts and threads.
http://www.avsforum.com/u/8284118/jimwilson

One more suggestion, we have a great deals found thread that regularly shares a newegg deal on the Klipsch RW12-D for under $300 I think. Here is what it is:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16882780078&Tpk=rw-12d
Here is where you can track deals on it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1420999/klipsch-rw-12d-subwoofer-only-299-save-70


Butie102, I am sure they make a fine product but my experience with them vs Cambridge, Monitor, and Infinity tells me that I would never buy another one again. Happy owners are happy when they hear new things and certainly more happy when what they're hearing is significantly better than what they had. That was my experience with BIC but it has lost favor quite quickly.

Yeah, that may have been your experience. I completely get that. But I also don't think that people who end up buying a Bic product assumes that they have been listening to a Walkman for the past 15 years. Bic has been around since the 70's and have had quite strong success. I agree there are better speakers out there, but when you consider you can get a center channel and bookshelves for $230, that's quite a deal on what most believe to be very nice speakers. I have to spend $135 to get a similar spec speaker from the Infinity line, and that's just for one bookshelf. I mentioned the Bic to keep it within the OP's budget. People just seem to like em.
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Thanks for the replies. To answer a question, no the $300 budget does not include the sub.
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If your main usage is going to be movies and games, go for the set thats going to allow you to get all 5/7 speakers all at once. the BIC is likely to be your most affordable option. when it comes to movies/games in a living room type setup, number of speakers + proper setup will net you the effect you need.

Better quality speakers will of course net you better quality audio, but unlike music where better quality speakers will continue to yeild better sound quality, with movies the point of diminishing returns is reached faster unless you are trying to mimic an authentic theatrical experience in a dedicated theater room.

For those on a budget, the key points are getting the best quality center channel speaker and best quality sub you can afford. (Center channel for clear/loud dialogue and sub for bass effects which gives action movie soundtracks their impact)

For those who want to refute my suggestion, keep in mind that i'm specifically referring to working with an extremely limited budget and being unwilling or unable to put your system together piece by piece (want the surround experience NOW). when upgrading from mere stereo (especially tv speakers) just about any setup is a significan improvement.

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Btw, the drawback to the Def tech SM series is that the horizontal center channel speaker (C/L/R 2002) is hard to find and kind of expensive. i recently bought one for about 100 dollars MORE than the SM450 pair cost me. However, you could just get a second pair of the SM350/450s and use one of those speakers for an excellent front stage for the price!

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
Set up #2: Def Tech SM450, CLR2002, SLS Qline surrounds and Klipsch 12wD sub
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Im leaning towards the S30s for the dedicated theater room, looking at subs now. Ill try out the SM350/450 pair out where the pool table will be. Thats a ways down the line though.
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What's your sub budget?

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Sub budget is $300. Ive been looking over the budget sub threads. Its alot to consider.
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For a $300 budget, lot of people agree that the Klipsch RW-12d, when on sale at Newegg, is probably the best performer for an HT setup. See this thread: http://www.avsforum.com/t/1442829/klipsch-rw-12d-on-sale-for-299-at-newegg-com-again-today

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I found the SM450s to be excellent for 2 channel music...that is how I used them until I set up a theater in my basement and now there are part of my upstairs 5.1. However, another issue with the SM350/450 is that they are discountinued and won't be available too much longer...

Set up #1: EMP e5ti, e5Ci, and SLS Q line Audio surrounds, EMP 10i10i sub
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I found the SM450s to be excellent for 2 channel music...that is how I used them until I set up a theater in my basement and now there are part of my upstairs 5.1. However, another issue with the SM350/450 is that they are discountinued and won't be available too much longer...
Thanks for that info
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I ended up buying the S30 pair and the S50 center. Thanks for all of the input, it helped alot.
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I'm counting that as a win!!! cool.gifcool.gifcool.gifcool.gif

Please let us know what you think! I hope they serve you incredibly well.
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Finally got the speakers hooked up, still messing with the settings but I'm very happy with this purchase. I'm amazed at how loud and the amount of bass these things produce. Still messing with some of the settings but all in all these are great speakers.smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
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They have great midbass for their small size, don't they smile.gif

When you get ready to get the sub, be sure to post in the budget subwoofer discussion thread. Usually people know what the current best values are.

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Yes they do and thanks for the heads up.
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To the original poster, have you looked at the used market? It takes time and lots of effort but it can save you a fortune when you find the right gear. Starting out on a budget for movies and gaming, I would also consider getting 2 decent towers and a great sub to start. When the sub kicks in and it fills the room, a good 2.1 setup is nothing to laugh at for games or movies. Especially true if you can sit in the middle sweet spot most of the time. Hope this helps.

Add on. Just noticed you already made your purchase. Enjoy!
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Hey burgess521, I'm so happy you're enjoying them!

I am sitting here listening to the SVS SB1000 and hoping you can save up to get one. I am convinced it is the PERFECT sub for the S30's. Part of me hopes that you are satisfied enough with their sound to hold off long enough to save. If not, keep your eyes peeled on the Klipsch RW12-D or the NXG. Either would be a fine secondary sub if you cannot possibly muster the money for a SB1000.
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