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To err is human, I made this mistake long back and bought a Bose Lifestyle 12 II System. Though not a bad system (Please don't kill me for saying this) I think there are better system available at half the price.

Now here is my deal. My Bose subwoofer blew up the other day, now I have thought of the following options with the limited budget I have in hand, that's around $1000.

My options
1) Repair the Bose unit, which probably is going to cost me $200.
2) Buy a Onkyo HT-S9400 or any other HTIB
3) Buy the receiver and speakers separately.

I am open for all the above option or any other ideas which in return is going to give me a sound which is either equal or better than my Bose unit.

I am not an expert and will need some help from great folks out here.

What do you folks suggest, do you think buying another HTIB or separate receivers and speakers within $1000 going to give me better sound than my Bose unit.? If yes any suggestions for what I can go in for.

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2 will be better than 1, 3 will be better than 1 and 2, assuming good choices are made.

As for suggestions, it depends on what you are after, if it's simply replacing the lifestyle, then something like:
Pioneer VSX-522-k for $150
2 pairs of Pioneer SP-BS22LR for $90/pair (sale price @ BB and Amazon otherwise $129)
Pioneer SP C22 (center) for $69 (again sale price otherwise $99)
BIC F12 sub for $200

This will be better than the Lifestyle or HTIBs and only cost $600 ($710 not on sale)+ any shipping.

If you are looking for more features in an AVR, or are looking at the best you can get for $1000 or have preferences in sound we'll need a bit more information smile.gif
Room size and layout would help too.
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I am looking to just watch movies, I have a dedicated room with a size of 12' x 22' with no windows. I basically don't care for many features in my AVR. As far as preference in sound goes, I like a heavy bass. Also do you guys recommend a 7.1 or 5.1 for this size of room.
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I'd recommend that you do a 2.1 if you want heavy bass. You could pick up Infinity Primus P363 towers if you were lucky. I got mine for $99 each a few years ago. Spend more money on a ported subwoofer like a PB1000 and other speakers would be much better than options 1 and 2. That should leave about $300 for a receiver which should be plenty for what you'd get.
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Ien2 and Valtyr thanks for your valuable suggestion. I do like heavy bass but I think I still will like to have a surround sound. I heard some definitive speakers (high end) at one of my friends house they were 2.1 though they sounded good, i missed the surround sound for the action movies.
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I would buy two really amazing front speakers and over time fill in with the two surrounds and then the center channel last. I feel that in most situations you can pull off a Phantom center really well hence why I suggest saving this one for last.

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http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340m/cmt340m.html

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I agree with the idea of starting with 2.1 and building out from there. You could even pick up a pair of these NHTs at $60 each to use for surround fill in duty and run 4.1. Add a center next when you can afford it. Then upgrade those NHTs one day, and you have a nice set of small speakers to repurpose for something else such as a computer desktop setup or in a bedroom.

This NXG NX-BAS-500 subwoofer would be a big improvement over the sub in the Lifestyle setup, and is $259 shipped on Amazon. It would give you good bass smile.gif

Then for front left/right speakers, get Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE, ARX A1b, or HSU HB-1 MK2. That would leave you enough for an AVR smile.gif
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If it's bass, then I would suggest switching out the BIC sub in my list for the SVS PB1000, it's $300 more but still gets you in at $1000 (or less with sales). That NXG cel posted seems to be pretty decent too, at $259 you could get two of them instead of the SVS. I would actually list the NXG instead of the BIC (this is the first time I've seen it) even if you were trying to keep the cost down and only went with one.

And just keep the rest of my list the same. I wouldn't go for 7.1 and just stick with 5.1(2). As far as I know, there isn't any TV content that's 7.1 and for movies, older (~7 yrs) content is pretty much all 5.1 also. So there isn't a lot of content out there that makes use of 7.1 except for more recent movies, though maybe that's where your viewing lands. But on top of that, when going more than 5 you really should to start organizing and treating rooms for it when you are only looking at a 12' wide room. Otherwise it gets to be...messy.

There's also the 2.1 with later additions route also. Didn't mention it because I expected at least 4-5 posts saying that by the time I saw this thread today biggrin.gif I wanted to make sure you at least had one 5.1 option listed.
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Pb1000 would be an amazing sub to start with. For a lower budget I always like to recommend a nicer sub paired with bookshelf speakers since you'll get better highs and mids from a bookshelf for the price and you already have a sub for the low end. The Ascends that were recommended are really solid and accurate

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I agree with the idea of starting with 2.1 and building out from there. You could even pick up a pair of these NHTs at $60 each to use for surround fill in duty and run 4.1. Add a center next when you can afford it. Then upgrade those NHTs one day, and you have a nice set of small speakers to repurpose for something else such as a computer desktop setup or in a bedroom.

This NXG NX-BAS-500 subwoofer would be a big improvement over the sub in the Lifestyle setup, and is $259 shipped on Amazon. It would give you good bass smile.gif

Then for front left/right speakers, get Ascend Acoustics CBM-170 SE, ARX A1b, or HSU HB-1 MK2. That would leave you enough for an AVR smile.gif
That sub looks like it rolls off sharply at 40 Hz despite its claimed response down to 18 Hz. That doesn't seem like a very good value to me.

Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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Jim Wilson tested the NXG and was quite impressed with it. I support the NXG recommendation if SVS cannot be obtained.
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Based on the suggestions by you guys, any thoughts you can provide the below two options.

OPTION 1
5.1 Total Cost $1155
$149.5 Front/L ARX A1B
1$49.5 Front/R ARX A1B
$149.5 Centre ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$259 Sub NX-BAS-500
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

OPTION 2
7.1 Total Cost $989
$45 Front/L Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Front/R Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$69 Centre Pioneer SP-C22
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$499 Sub SVS PB1000
$149 Receiver VSX-522K
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Jim Wilson tested the NXG and was quite impressed with it. I support the NXG recommendation if SVS cannot be obtained.

The NXG sub definitely seems like a better sub than the BIC F12. But yeah. SVS would be nice smile.gif
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That doesn't bother you that the measured response doesn't show it putting out squat below 40?

Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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Based on the suggestions by you guys, any thoughts you can provide the below two options.

OPTION 1
5.1 Total Cost $1155
$149.5 Front/L ARX A1B
1$49.5 Front/R ARX A1B
$149.5 Centre ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$259 Sub NX-BAS-500
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

OPTION 2
7.1 Total Cost $989
$45 Front/L Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Front/R Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$69 Centre Pioneer SP-C22
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$499 Sub SVS PB1000
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

I like Option 2. I think you have a better sub in it and the Andrew Jones Pioneers get nothing but great press. I use a VSX-522K in my bedroom. It is an amazing bargain and will handle the Pioneer gear without working up a sweat. In your shoes, however, I would probably put in a 2.1 version with the Andrew Jones towers.
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That doesn't bother you that the measured response doesn't show it putting out squat below 40?

Which measured response? Jim's? Did you not look at the port measurement?

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Based on the suggestions by you guys, any thoughts you can provide the below two options.

OPTION 1
5.1 Total Cost $1155
$149.5 Front/L ARX A1B
1$49.5 Front/R ARX A1B
$149.5 Centre ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$259 Sub NX-BAS-500
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

OPTION 2
7.1 Total Cost $989
$45 Front/L Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Front/R Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$69 Centre Pioneer SP-C22
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$499 Sub SVS PB1000
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

I like option two ONLY because of the better sub. I think Arx is a significantly better speaker but the SVS sub is the best thing you've listed in your two options and I'd have to go with them. The Pioneer's are highly rated but I think are on a different level than Arx.
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I like option two ONLY because of the better sub. I think Arx is a significantly better speaker but the SVS sub is the best thing you've listed in your two options and I'd have to go with them. The Pioneer's are highly rated but I think are on a different level than Arx.

Since they are 3 times the price of the Pioneers, I would hope there was an improvement wink.gif

@onlyroger: You'll find that either choice will be far better than the lifestyle system you were using. Option 1 will give you a better overall sound than 2, but 2 will have better bass and give you 7.1.
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I'd really start with stereo. You can build to it over time. If you're going to go with those options I'd just repair your Bose system.

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Based on the suggestions by you guys, any thoughts you can provide the below two options.

OPTION 1
5.1 Total Cost $1155
$149.5 Front/L ARX A1B
1$49.5 Front/R ARX A1B
$149.5 Centre ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$149.5 Surround ARX A1B
$259 Sub NX-BAS-500
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

OPTION 2
7.1 Total Cost $989
$45 Front/L Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Front/R Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$69 Centre Pioneer SP-C22
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$45 Surround Pioneer SP-BS22LR
$499 Sub SVS PB1000
$149 Receiver VSX-522K

If you were to do #2, I would do only 5.1 and get a better AVR. A Denon with Audyssey would be a good idea.
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If you were to do #2, I would do only 5.1 and get a better AVR. A Denon with Audyssey would be a good idea.

That Pioneer has MCACC with it. You'll have to get at least a Denon 1713 to have XT and that's $375, the 1613 comes with MultiEQ at $300, and the 1513/E200 which doesn't have Audyssey is $200.
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I'd really start with stereo. You can build to it over time. If you're going to go with those options I'd just repair your Bose system.

That's not helpful. Either choice is better than the Lifestyle.

Man I dislike that "Go big or skip it altogether" attitude rolleyes.gif There is a middle ground, you don't want to work there that's fine, give the option and just leave it at that.
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Darn darn darn darn,

Sorry roger, my fault for not catching it sooner, in this budget range I'm so used to doing just 5.1 that it didn't occur to me you'll need a different AVR for 7.1 as the 522-k is only 5.1. You'll have to step up to something like a Denon 1913/E400 or Pioneer VSX-1022(or 1023)-K for 7.1 and then you are talking over $400 for the AVR unless you go the refurb route.
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That Pioneer has MCACC with it. You'll have to get at least a Denon 1713 to have XT and that's $375, the 1613 comes with MultiEQ at $300, and the 1513/E200 which doesn't have Audyssey is $200.
That's not helpful. Either choice is better than the Lifestyle.

Man I dislike that "Go big or skip it altogether" attitude rolleyes.gif There is a middle ground, you don't want to work there that's fine, give the option and just leave it at that.

MultEQ equalizes the sub and that is something MCACC doesn't do.

And you can get the E300 on sale for $200 at Fry's every now and then can walk into my local Paul's TV and get a 1913 for $320. A refurbed 1613 goes for about $226 shipped. So better deals are readily available

And most importantly, the 522 is only a 5.1 receiver, so why buy the extra speakers?

So I do think this strategy is viable.
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Based on the suggestions by you guys, any thoughts you can provide the below two options.

I'd chose Option1 for the better speakers. If you decide you want more bass, then add a 2nd NX-BAS-500 later on. Sure. The PB-1000 has better low frequency extension, but dual subs offer SQ advantage over a single sub. And a single NX-BAS-500 should easily better the bass you were getting from the Bose Lifestyle module.

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hmm....well, it looks like I learned something new today, I thought it eq'd the sub also since it tends to be the lower frequencies that are most helped by DRC.

If he's willing to wait for sales then yeah a different AVR could be worth it, currently the E300 is $400 both at Fry's and Amazon, the xx13's are getting hard to find except online.

But yeah, the 522 is 5.1 which is what I suggested anyways. 7.1 is going to cost some regardless.
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Why not go used for the speakers? There are a number of great deals in the classified section of the forum right now! I bought my Sierra towers used there. People here take great care of their equipment.

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Guys thanks so much for all the info. I am still trying to match different combinations.

To add a little more twist and some good news, I was able to fix my Bose unit, it had a blown fuse. It did take me some time to detect the problem and then open the sub-woofer where the fuse was located, a $3 fuse from radio shack did the trick.

I am little put off by Bose with all the proprietary technology they use, I can't use their speakers with any other receiver, so I have decided to sell it, so now my budget is close to $1500. What do you guys think of the below units

Sub woofer BIC America F12 12 $201
Tower Speakers Front L/R BIC DV64 (Pair) $ 254
Center Speaker BIC 62CLRS $105
Surround Speakers (4) BIC DV62si $460
Receiver Onkyo TX-NR-515 $328
Total $1348

Sub woofer BIC PL-200 $328
Tower Speakers Polk TSi500 (2) or Yamaha NS-777 $498
Surround Speakers (4) $315
Center Speaker Yamaha NSC310 $195
Receiver Onkyo TX-NR-515 $328
Total $1664
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That Pioneer has MCACC with it. You'll have to get at least a Denon 1713 to have XT and that's $375, the 1613 comes with MultiEQ at $300, and the 1513/E200 which doesn't have Audyssey is $200.
That's not helpful. Either choice is better than the Lifestyle.

Man I dislike that "Go big or skip it altogether" attitude rolleyes.gif There is a middle ground, you don't want to work there that's fine, give the option and just leave it at that.

I feel that it's actually very helpful. Great stereo speakers can create a great soundstage while also providing bass down into the 30Hz. I really don't think his options will sound that much better. Pairing the SVS with those speakers seems silly to me. Great speakers with a good receiver can provide a great stereo experience and allow you to build up than slash and burn when he wants more 2 years from now.

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I implore you to look at the Ascend 340s with that budget or the ARX....really look into them. Especially since you upped your budget.

I'd also skip the subwoofer and pass on Onkyo. Their build quality is terrible. Check out Denon or Yamaha.

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Which measured response? Jim's? Did you not look at the port measurement?
The ported is down 3 dB at 31.5. The 18 Hz claimed spec is a flat out lie. To me, it just doesn't look all that great.

Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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