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Is it overkill? Yes. Will it be awesome? Yes. Do it. I would go for the Cap 2400, you will have endless amounts of headroom with that.
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Is it overkill? Yes. Will it be awesome? Yes. Do it. I would go for the Cap 2400, you will have endless amounts of headroom with that.

Thanks for the input! I guess for the extra $300 the Cap 2400 provides more versatility (output) for the future if I ever move and have a larger HT room.

What is the view on using the 2400 as a stand for the center 228HT? I am planning on matching stands built by Jeff for the left and right, but I think the plan would be to install all of my electronics in the closet shown in the picture. This would allow the TV / front sound stage to be clean and clutter-free. Is there any reason having the Captivator in the center of the wall under the center speaker wouldn't work?

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The best place for the subwoofer's response could be anywhere in the room, so I wouldn't get attached to a place right now before you have tried different places. As for using the sub as a speaker stand, you might give it a try and see if it works. The sub may vibrate too much though, and the speaker could fall off. You can't know until you try.
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Limited space?

No prob.

Place the Sats on stands ATOP the Subs!

It would be like towers, except much better bass!

I place my five KEF 201/2 on stands atop my five RBH SX-1010N subs, so it's like having five large towers! Except the bass is better than ANY tower I have EVER heard.

I prefer my KEF+RBH over my Revel Salon2, B&W 802D2, Linkwitz Orion3, Phil3, and every single tower speaker I have ever heard.

You really should try to find some JBL Performance Series PT800/PS1400 stacks. I think they just might be exactly what you are looking for. Think Revel Ultima2 Gems2s integrated on 15" subs/stands.
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What'd you decide on?

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What'd you decide on?

I'm still back and forth between the 228HT and the 212HT-LP. I'm set on the Cap S2 for the sub. I plan on placing the order on Friday the 22nd to beat the price increase and hopefully beat Jeff's guaranteed before the holidays deadline (I think he posted the 29th as the last date on Facebook).

I'll probably end up with the 212HT-LP. Either speaker is overkill in my current room, but who knows where they'll end up in the future. The cost of either set means I'll be keeping them around for a very long time, so might as well avoid the "what-ifs", right? So much for my budget!

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...so might as well avoid the "what-ifs"...

The "what-if" is inexorable.

There's plenty of time to think things over.

After all, you are talking about "a very long time".
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Try to demo some gear. Attend a G2G. Everyone's ear and subjective preference when it comes to speakers are different.

Contact the vendors you are interested in and see if they have customer's in your area willing to demo. Visit this thread and see if there is anyone close.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1354492/the-ill-demo-my-speakers-for-other-enthusiasts-thread

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I'm still back and forth between the 228HT and the 212HT-LP. I'm set on the Cap S2 for the sub. I plan on placing the order on Friday the 22nd to beat the price increase and hopefully beat Jeff's guaranteed before the holidays deadline (I think he posted the 29th as the last date on Facebook).

I'll probably end up with the 212HT-LP. Either speaker is overkill in my current room, but who knows where they'll end up in the future. The cost of either set means I'll be keeping them around for a very long time, so might as well avoid the "what-ifs", right? So much for my budget!

Why the 212HT-LP over the regular 212HT? I'm trying to decide on what ones to get too.
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Why the 212HT-LP over the regular 212HT? I'm trying to decide on what ones to get too.

Mostly for the smaller form factor and footprint. My room is pretty small and the 212HT-LP has a similar footprint to the 228HT.

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Limited space?

No prob.

Place the Sats on stands ATOP the Subs!

It would be like towers, except much better bass!

I place my five KEF 201/2 on stands atop my five RBH SX-1010N subs, so it's like having five large towers! Except the bass is better than ANY tower I have EVER heard.

I prefer my KEF+RBH over my Revel Salon2, B&W 802D2, Linkwitz Orion3, Phil3, and every single tower speaker I have ever heard.

This ^ coming from someone who has his little collection of speakers lined up in front of him in an array that would please Kim Jong-un. tongue.gif

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I finally got my order in with Jeff on 12/27 to beat the 2014 price increase. He quoted 5 weeks but I know he is swamped right now, so I will be patiently waiting! My final setup is below and to the point of this thread, I ended up being closer to $7,500 for speakers, subwoofer, and receiver that I listed as requirements.

(1) Panasonic 55" VT50
(3) JTR Noesis 228HT - LCR
(1) JTR Captivator S2
(1) Denon X4000
(1) Sherbourn PA 7-350
(1) Pioneer BDP-62FD
(1) APC H10
(1) VTI BL404-13 Rack

Video - Panasonic VT50 55" | Panasonic BDT320
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Your budget jumped from 3,500 to 6,500, to 7,500. tongue.gif

Ahh --- in the end you are getting a HECK of a setup. I don't know that sherbourn is necessary -- I have one myself and am trying to determine if I'll keep it. AVR power for my 228HT is perfectly adequate in my experience.

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Thanks for reporting back! (I was following along but didn't post.) What an upgrade... this will be an awesome high performance system!

Do you already have the Sherbourn amp? The reason I ask is that, if your setup is still intended for the room shown in post #30 with about 7' viewing distance, you won't come anywhere near needing it for reference level output and above. The X4000 on it's own would be fine. I'd spend the $'s elsewhere.

Just some friendly feedback... hope you don't mind. smile.gif
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Your budget jumped from 3,500 to 6,500, to 7,500. tongue.gif

Ahh --- in the end you are getting a HECK of a setup.

Yes the budget went out the window quickly but ultimately I made the fiscally responsible decision (for me) going with the 228HTs instead of 212HT-LPs. For almost solely movie use I couldn't justify the $3,000 price difference. I already stretched the budget far enough by more than doubling my initial figure! eek.gif

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Thanks for reporting back! (I was following along but didn't post.) What an upgrade... this will be an awesome high performance system!

Do you already have the Sherbourn amp? The reason I ask is that, if your setup is still intended for the room shown in post #30 with about 7' viewing distance, you won't come anywhere near needing it for reference level output and above. The X4000 on it's own would be fine. I'd spend the $'s elsewhere.

Just some friendly feedback... hope you don't mind. smile.gif

I do already have the Sherbourn amp, I jumped on the final round of the $999 closeout deal they had. The X4000 cost me $910 so I am in $1,909 for essentially a pre/pro and very powerful amp.

I am certain that the X4000 has more than enough power for my current room. The decision I will have to make is keep the Sherbourn and know that no matter where I end up down the road I will always be set on power. Or I can sell the Sherbourn, use that money towards surrounds (probably a pair of JTR Slanted 8HTs), and know that the X4000 is fully capable in my current room. I expect to be in this house for five years or so at which point we will probably upsize, hopefully to one that has a bigger and more dedicated home theater space.

With all of that said I will probably try the setup out both ways and see how it goes. One benefit of using a separate amp is I can use attenuators and eliminate the need to mess with reference level offsets and changing my MV from 0.

Video - Panasonic VT50 55" | Panasonic BDT320
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Just some friendly feedback... hope you don't mind. smile.gif

Oh and I certainly don't mind! The thought has definitely crossed my mind, but I've had the Sherbourn sitting in my room since early September so I am leaning towards at least trying it out before I decide to sell it! tongue.gif

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Shhhhhhhhh don't tell AcuDefTechGuy, he'll get really upset that another person picked JTR speakers over something he recommended. Next comes that "cat screaming" comments, followed by the final big burn of being called a fanboy......lol biggrin.gif

Big Congrats Emr25, you're going to love your setup!
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Oh and I certainly don't mind! The thought has definitely crossed my mind, but I've had the Sherbourn sitting in my room since early September so I am leaning towards at least trying it out before I decide to sell it! tongue.gif

The great thing about the Sherbourn is that it's pretty much the last amp you'd ever really need. And for the price of $999, it's just not worth selling in my opinion. I'd just rather keep in and use it.
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Jbrown15 speaks truth. 10 year warranty does make it difficult to part too.

It's sort of like...check amps of the list for 10 year minimum.

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Emr25,

Using attenuators is not a benefit of amp use. Ha.

If you do decide to sell your amp, don't open it. It could be worth 2k new to many on eBay or even these forums.

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Emr25,

Using attenuators is not a benefit of amp use. Ha.

If you do decide to sell your amp, don't open it. It could be worth 2k new to many on eBay or even these forums.

Benefit wasn't the right word, maybe convenience fits better. I know it would bother me seeing something other than 0 MV as reference. And I'm fairly confident the X4000 on its own would max out the trim levels at a MLP of 7'.

Also, the amp is already unboxed and on my equipment stand. Hasn't been plugged in or used but it's not technically "brand new" anymore. I'm honestly unlikely to sell the Sherbourn unless someone makes me an offer too good to turn down.

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