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I have the following setup:

- (2) RF-7II (Front)
- (1) RC-64II (Center)
- (2) RF-82II (Back Surrounds)
- (1) SW-115 (Subwoofer)

And i am thinking on upgrade to this setup:

- (2) P-37F Floorstanding Speakers
- (1) P-27C Center Channel Speaker
- (2) P-27S Surround Speakers
- (2) P-312W Subwoofer

or,

The THX Ultra 2 Setup 5.2

I have a 20 Square Meter Home Theater, it's small, but i expect even more detail from the Palladium...or the THX Ultra 2 Set.

I use the SC-LX90 as Amplifier and soon it will work as a Pre/Pro and will add a Parasound A51 + A21.
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The THX have better measurements than the Palladium. The Palladium look nicer. I think they would both sound great. I think the THX Ultra set would have better subwoofers. If I were stuck on Klipsch, I would go for some Klipschorns over any of those.
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It's going to be 100% for Home Theater, i don't hear much music.
WHat do you mean klipschhorns?

Anyway the THX ones and the Palladium will sound even better than my setup right?

It crossed my mind to give a try on B&W CM10 and all the CM setup, but Klipsch will be much better for cinema.
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It's going to be 100% for Home Theater, i don't hear much music.
WHat do you mean klipschhorns?

Anyway the THX ones and the Palladium will sound even better than my setup right?

It crossed my mind to give a try on B&W CM10 and all the CM setup, but Klipsch will be much better for cinema.

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It's going to be 100% for Home Theater, i don't hear much music.
WHat do you mean klipschhorns?

Anyway the THX ones and the Palladium will sound even better than my setup right?

It crossed my mind to give a try on B&W CM10 and all the CM setup, but Klipsch will be much better for cinema.

The Palladium would be but not so sure on the thx. I think that would be close. I would pass on the Palladium sub and get something better for less money.

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what don't you like about your current set up? Or what are you trying to improve on?

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WHat do you mean klipschhorns?

Anyway the THX ones and the Palladium will sound even better than my setup right?

It crossed my mind to give a try on B&W CM10 and all the CM setup, but Klipsch will be much better for cinema.

Behold the mighty Klipschorn! Note these need room corners to really work in, so you have to have the right kind of room for them. They are just an awesome speaker. The set I heard blew me away. Heard them in the same room as some RF-83s and they blew away the RF-83s, no contest. La Scalas would be great too.

They are rather expensive speakers though, the Khorns are $9k per pair, the La Scalas are $7k.

Pi speakers make great Klipsch heritage type speakers which actually measure very well, and are a great less expensive alternative. Check out the Pi Fours, a set of those with upgraded drivers would be a killer system. They have corner horns too, like the Klipschorn, check out the Pi Seven. That thing would be amazing, expensive but not nearly as much as Klipschorns. I wouldn't be surprised if they exceeded the performance of true Klipschorns.
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what don't you like about your current set up? Or what are you trying to improve on?


I love my current setup. but i am moving my setup to a dedicated division of the house, and i have the possibility o buy the THX Ultra or Palladium and trade mines.
After i talked to the dealer he says my system will improve if i buy the THX Ultra 2 series.

Just wondering if i should buy the 2 subs from the THX series or buy 2 SVS PB-13 Ultra....rolleyes.gif

The Palladium is becoming an option far away after i talked to the dealer...
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Before buying new speakers, I would purchase a couple SVS PB13-Ultra subs, set the crossover on your current speakers to 80hz and then see what you think of your system. Sent you a PM.

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Many Tanks. Already replied...

Do you think that to join 2 SVS and instead of using the power of the Pioneer Susano i buy a Parasound A51 + A21 will it be worth?
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Behold the mighty Klipschorn! Note these need room corners to really work in, so you have to have the right kind of room for them. They are just an awesome speaker. The set I heard blew me away. Heard them in the same room as some RF-83s and they blew away the RF-83s, no contest. La Scalas would be great too.

They are rather expensive speakers though, the Khorns are $9k per pair, the La Scalas are $7k.
If he has the coin for Palladium, he can afford the Klipschorn of La Scala.

The problem is that you need a wide room and most people orient their HT room along the other axis.


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I love my current setup. but i am moving my setup to a dedicated division of the house, and i have the possibility o buy the THX Ultra or Palladium and trade mines.
After i talked to the dealer he says my system will improve if i buy the THX Ultra 2 series.

Just wondering if i should buy the 2 subs from the THX series or buy 2 SVS PB-13 Ultra....rolleyes.gif

The Palladium is becoming an option far away after i talked to the dealer...

Consider the Jubilee, along the same favor as Klipschorns but with easier room placement and a more recent design.


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If he has the coin for Palladium, he can afford the Klipschorn of La Scala.

The problem is that you need a wide room and most people orient their HT room along the other axis.


Consider the Jubilee, along the same favor as Klipschorns but with easier room placement and a more recent design.



With all the due respect ,but the looks matter to me, and those speakers don't have my favorite look....
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Then go with the Palladium... modern look and fancy woodwork!
I am in it for the sound, and dynamic horn-loaded speakers are big! But I'll admit that I am likely much older than you and always loved the look of Klipschorns.

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They must have a great sound...would love to hear it.

One of these days i think i made a stupidity...i had INAKISTIC cables single wired, and i bought for 1000 Euros MIT Terminator 2 for the front and center speakers. I think my sound got worst....
My 30 Euros per meter cables were better, can you believe this? mad.gifrolleyes.gifeek.gif
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Considering I spend about $3 per meter on 12 AWG monoprice speaker wire...

(I would love to hear the Palladium!)

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Considering I spend about $3 per meter on 12 AWG monoprice speaker wire...

(I would love to hear the Palladium!)

Ok, i take Home Theater too serious wink.gif

Today i got an advise, from a person with experience and i might keep my Reference set, and sell only the sub.
After i sell my Sub i will connect 2 SVS Subs PB-13 Ultra and calibrate the system.

Then let's see what happens...
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Ok, i take Home Theater too serious wink.gif

Today i got an advise, from a person with experience and i might keep my Reference set, and sell only the sub.
After i sell my Sub i will connect 2 SVS Subs PB-13 Ultra and calibrate the system.

Then let's see what happens...

Good advise. Subs have one of the biggest impacts on your ht. biggrin.gif

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I have 3 svs subs with my rf-7ii system and i couldn't be happier biggrin.gif

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Ok, i take Home Theater too serious wink.gif

Today i got an advise, from a person with experience and i might keep my Reference set, and sell only the sub.
After i sell my Sub i will connect 2 SVS Subs PB-13 Ultra and calibrate the system.

Then let's see what happens...

If you'r still not happy take a look at the JBL Synthesis line.

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If you'r still not happy take a look at the JBL Synthesis line.

If your not happy with the sound after that, then give the hobby up. smile.gif
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If you'r still not happy take a look at the JBL Synthesis line.

I think i will be happy...either way i don't think JBL will beat Klipsch...but it's just a guess....
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I think i will be happy...either way i don't think JBL will beat Klipsch...but it's just a guess....

JBL is very much a worthwhile adversary to Klipsch. Their Synthesis line is widely admired, although a bit pricey. Their $70k Everest speakers have some top engineering in them. JBL's upper LSR line is one of the top measuring speakers that money can buy. JBL helped Lusasfilm develop the THX audio specs. They is owned by Harman which has one of the best R&D departments in the audio industry. There is a lot to like about JBL speakers.
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I think i will be happy...either way i don't think JBL will beat Klipsch...but it's just a guess....

Hmmmm, I'm guessing their top end line would stomp all over Klipsch, but I'd just be guessing of course wink.gif

JBL is in the vast majority of movies houses throughout the world.

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JBL is in the same boat as klipsch. People hear the lower level models and walk away unimpressed. But those lower end models is what keeps the lights on biggrin.gif

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JBL is in the same boat as klipsch. People hear the lower level models and walk away unimpressed. But those lower end models is what keeps the lights on biggrin.gif

True. I don't even think those lower lines are that bad. But their high end lines are as good as anybodies.
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True. I don't even think those lower lines are that bad. But their high end lines are as good as anybodies.


agreed, I had a set of lower line jbl 4800s a long time ago and they were nice speakers for the cost. But its a huge gap from the higher end models. Same can be said for klipsch their best buy speakers are ok. But the better klipsch speakers are miles better imo.

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I think i will be happy...either way i don't think JBL will beat Klipsch...but it's just a guess....

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Ok, i take Home Theater too serious wink.gif

Today i got an advise, from a person with experience and i might keep my Reference set, and sell only the sub.
After i sell my Sub i will connect 2 SVS Subs PB-13 Ultra and calibrate the system.

Then let's see what happens...
The two PB13 ultra will definitely make a HUGE improvement. I think you will be happy. Your speakers are really realy nice but your SW-115 sub is the weak point in your system. Sub in a theater is a must but until you have great sub(s) to compliment your great speakers, you are missing out quite a bit. You might want to check out the dual Rythmik FV15HP subs which is as good if not better than the PB13 Ultra for a lot less ca$h. Here is databass measurements that lists both the FV15hp and PB13 ultra: http://www.data-bass.com/systems
Ultimately, if money is not an issue (doesn't look like one for you), I would go for the dual JTR Orbit shifter, dual submersiveHP or dual powersound Triax. This will be UNBELIEVABLE AWESOME!
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If money isn't an issue, also check out Funk and Danley. Funk is basically the most beautiful high performance subs you can buy (and I do mean high performance), and Danley Sound Labs. Danley's subs aren't going to win any beauty contests, but the sheer SPL from some of those subs are insane. Danley is way beyond SVS subs in performance.
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Just talked with the dealer today, he is going to install in my dedicated room the THX Ultra 2 together with new Processor and Amps.
I will tell my experience then.
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