Originally Posted by flyng_fool
If you're not aware, the standard THX crossover freq is 80Hz anyway.
Of course I'm aware of the 80Hz THX cutoff?!? Seriously? I've been a member here since 2006 and you don't think I know basic crap like that - how insulting?!? That's why my post said for 2 channel music listening. If you want to use the recommended THX settings, up to you. There's nothing wrong with doing either.
That said, there's absolutely nothing wrong with using the 29Hz 3dB point of my RF-83's as I have an amp big enough to drive them (ATI AT2007). If anything, it improves the room's low frequency response, as does having two Klipsch RT-12d subs instead of one. I know because I used one sub for a long time until I picked up another on ebay. This really helped my room's modal resonances. I even verified this with RoomEQ.
Originally Posted by jbrown15
The 228HT's are designed to be used with a sub, even the 212HT's which use 12" drivers are 100% designed to used with subs. I'd put the quality of the drivers used in the JTR's up against any of the quality parts used in Klipsch speakers. Hell the compression driver used in the 212HT lists for $700 by itself.
I have heard a complete Ultra 2 setup at a buddy's place and I've heard RF-7II's with a RC-64. I could have easily bought eight of those setups and I'd still take my three 228HT's as a LCR setup any time over those two.
I didn't pay MSRP (if you're using that as a comparison you could probably buy 16 systems like mine congratulations!?!), so my Klipsch setup was cheaper than what JTR is asking for their Noesis 228HT. However, I seriously doubt your system sounds any better than mine. I'm not sure what your friend was driving his RF-7's with, room treatments, etc... I'd rather have the extra frequency response than to not have it though, whether I use it or not. After all, you can always change the cutoff in your preamp.
No doubt the Noesis 212HT might be great. Keep in mind it costs three times more than I paid for my RF-83's!?! However, without a way to audition them, who is ever going to pay $2199 for one?!? Seems like a lot of risk on a very expensive purchase, especially considering the OP is in Europe and shipping them is even more $$$. A lot of gear is hyped on here, but none that I have ever seen in any shop to try out, so I'm likely not going to buy it.
It's nothing to do with advertising at all, but solely based on how folks shop for certain types of items. Would you seriously fork out $10,000+ on a speaker system without trying it out? What about forking $10000 on a used car without driving it? Seems pretty crazy to me. Ultimately it's up to the purchaser to decide how to buy something. If JTR was smart, they'd pay folks who purchase their products to show them to others. Maybe have an online database of willing participants. Then I'd go and listen because I like checking other gear out, but I still wouldn't buy as I'm 100% satisfied with my system.
I do like that JTR is made in the US and that alone would have helped me to consider them if they had a local presence back in 2007-2008 when I was speaker shopping. The Chinese Emotiva touted here: not so much as their pricing is too close to the special pricing of american made ATI