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I am going to do everything in-wall all mounted 40.5" from the floor. No standing speakers or on-walls. This is for a 16x22 room and will be a 7.1 or 7.2 system. I saw this list but this but not sure its really detailed to what else is out there. http://in-wall-speakers-review.toptenreviews.com/

Has anyone tried out the Martin Logan Axis or Edge series? I don't have the ability to test drive any of these because I am really far from any stores. In the past I have had Focal 918 and B&W Nautilus 805's. Looking for speakers with wide dispersion. I am going to use this primarily for Home Theater (90%) and 10% music. (rock/hip hop/country mix)

I have 3 Sunfire Amps. 1 5 channel and a 2 channel. Both are Signature series. B&K reference 70 preamp/processor.

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I paired my Vienna Beethoven Baby Grands with Maestro CC with a pair of Noble Fidelity L-65s for surrounds. And they absolutely sound fantastic with excellent dispersion and wide sound stage. I am very happy with these in ceiling speakers and would recommend. I had room issues/constraints and these solved my problem. Driving them with an Emotiva XPA-200 and Marantz AV-8801.
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Unfortunately, we are trying to use all in-walls, including the right and left primary speakers. Any good in-wall front speakers?

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Unfortunately, we are trying to use all in-walls, including the right and left primary speakers. Any good in-wall front speakers?

BG Radia makes the finest we have ever come across. They use Planar Magnetic Drivers and are unreal. Dispersion pattern is incredibly wide (wider than any point source speaker, horn, or electrostat.

I can recommend some models, but have you a budget in mind? How many rows of seating?

Here is a review from home theater magazine: http://www.hometheater.com/content/bg-radia-la-550-wall-speaker-system

Finest in-wall and in-ceiling speakers in the world, period. We've been dealers of or have brought in nearly every architectural line under the sun and have found nothing in the same world as BG. Note: Not a fan of their in-wall sub in the review and they are redesigning it, so if your sub has to be in wall please post that and I'll recommend some things.

BG offers models from $650 MSRP all the way up to $7000 each for the huge LA-800 Line Array. they all use the same NEO3 PMD tweeter and offer similar voicing and quality. Some, obviously are better than others but their quality standard is consistent. Budget or expectation of quality (if no budget has been set) would be helpful. Most people in most rooms (even very large ones) will be blown away by their SA-360 as a suggestion. Your amplifiers should be fine for it.
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Any thoughts here?

We use James loudspeaker. They have a great selection of inwalls. My neighbors use Paradigm inwall speakers.

VSX-53, VSX-51,VSX-81 Pioneer Elites and Denon 1611
James loudspeaker inwalls main and future theater
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Any thoughts here?

We use James loudspeaker. They have a great selection of inwalls. My neighbors use Paradigm inwall speakers.


http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/productdet.cfm?page=itemdetail&id=235

http://www.jamesloudspeaker.com/index.cfm?page=by_series&id=32

VSX-53, VSX-51,VSX-81 Pioneer Elites and Denon 1611
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Triad In-wall Gold LCR

http://www.triadspeakers.com/products/iwg6lcr.html

Yes, Triad is another quality inwall I just have not had a chance to listen like I have the James and Paradigm.

You should have a good option in the Cincinnati area.

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Moving to Indianapolis area. This is basically a living room install. Looking to spend $2-4 k for all speakers. Not sure if I should get a center channel speaker that would be tweeter directional (tilt able tweeter toward primary listening location) since its above the fireplace and the right and left fronts are relatively close together Rear speakers are rear fill and not too important. Side speakers and front array should be timber matched.

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Has anyone heard the Martin Logan in-walls?

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Are you wIring yourself?
If not have you talked with a AV company on what you want?
Now is the time to wire all areas this will save in the future.

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All areas marked on plan are being wired for speakers.

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I have SpeakerCraft in-ceiling and they are a great speaker. Here is a link to their in-wall

http://www.speakercraft.com/products/architectural-speakers/in-wall

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All areas marked on plan are being wired for speakers.

Tough to read but is the builder wireing or did you have an AV company take a look?

How are you going to control everything? If you you find a good AV company it will save you in the long run.

I know my neighbor pre wired his house and just had Paradigm inwalls installed throughout the house and it sounds good. He wired himself but the local company came in and installed Control 4 and wow is it nice.

Control4
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4zone amp for speakers in and out.
Denon x-4000

You have a lot of options now... Before the drywall goes up.

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Low profile stereo cabinet on the left side. Sunfire Signature amps: one 5 channel and two 2 channel amp. Using a B&K Reference 70 preamp processor (does not have Audessey). Builder has an AV company to do all wiring.
Everything is home run into the stereo cabinet. Will put fans on the far side of the cabinet and using flashers for remote control.

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Low profile stereo cabinet on the left side. Sunfire Signature amps: one 5 channel and two 2 channel amp. Using a B&K Reference 70 preamp processor (does not have Audessey). Builder has an AV company to do all wiring.
Everything is home run into the stereo cabinet. Will put fans on the far side of the cabinet and using flashers for remote control.

Sorry to ask so many questions. Sounds like you have everything covered just trying to pick speakers. I wish you luck in your new house as building can be challenging.

Hope Indy treats you well as Cinci is nice.

Let your ears be your guide on speakers... I'm sure what you choose you will enjoy.

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Moving to Indianapolis area. This is basically a living room install. Looking to spend $2-4 k for all speakers. Not sure if I should get a center channel speaker that would be tweeter directional (tilt able tweeter toward primary listening location) since its above the fireplace and the right and left fronts are relatively close together Rear speakers are rear fill and not too important. Side speakers and front array should be timber matched.

here are the pics.





Am I reading your pictures right? Do you have what looks like less than a foot to put an in-wall for your left speaker between that window and the side wall? Having a speaker in the corner like that is less than ideal... How much room is there actually between that left window and that side wall (pictures can be deceiving). You are definately going to be limited with your center channel in any case, because your TV is already going to be pretty high being placed above a fire place.

One other thing, you have some REALLY nice equipment, I hate to see you limiting your budget so much with regards to speakers. You can get some really good deals on Internet speakers, but those are usually in room (box) speakers. For quality in-wall/in-ceilings, usually you have to spend a pretty good chunk of change. Especially if you are coming from B&W 805's, you might want to up the "ante" with your speaker budget. That said with the challenges (so seem to have) up front with those windows and wall on the left side I would almost go with quality in-ceilings, especially if this is mostly for home theater. Back when I used to install Home Theaters for a business (have a regular 8-5 job now), I installed a system including 3 BG Radia IC-201's (retail $1,000 ea) up front for LCR's as the customer had a bunch of windows preventing good placement for in-walls up front. I installed these along with the SS-202's (retail for $1,250 ea) in the ceiling, and the result was phenomenal! The sound was so immersive, it was hard to believe. That Planar magnetic tweeter really is something special.....

Good luck in your search!
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We moved the front Left and right speakers to directly to the side of the fireplace. We originally had it in the far left and right corners of the room but there was just not enough room and / or I would have to tilt them in so much it was a bad idea.

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What speakers are best is which price points? Lets say for a pair:
$1000
$2000
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Ever heard ov Vienna Acoustics - here is their in wall:
http://www.vienna-acoustics.com/news/In-Waltz.pdf
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BG Radia and Triad's have been my absolute favorite in-walls................

The absolute best of the best would be Triad in-wall Gold Monitors with Silver Monitors for surrounds..............................
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Any thoughts here?

Michael,
Just wanted to give you a heads up on my previous experience – the TV over the fireplace was the worst place I’ve ever put a TV. First, if it’s not plasma, the image quality will deteriorate considerably. I had to swap my LCD TV with a plasma version. The worst part was what it did to our necks – very uncomfortable. We were about 8-9 feet from the plasma set. Long story short, I ended up watching the old rear projection in another room.

This location required us to "look up" at the TV:


This fireplace was not a good location either:


Here is what we ended up with:

The Pioneer rear projection is located on the right, inside a Salamander cabinet. The TV is 23 inches from the floor - no neck fatigue at all.

With my next place, for my new plasma (P65VT60), I wanted to keep the 23 inch height so I went with this:


Stand can be found here (blended with the Salamander cabinet perfectly):
http://www.amazon.com/Convenience-Concepts-6042180-Entertainment-100-Pounds/dp/B004CVLCSW/ref=pd_sim_sbs_hg_4/182-8461541-2279942

The Noble Fidelity surrounds are in the ceiling above - the best thing I did for this room IMO - they sound awesome for both 5.1 movies/concerts and 2.1 stereo music - great dispersion. Noble Fidelity also has in-walls; however, I have not heard them. If they are anything like their in-ceiling products, I would absolutely give them some consideration. Removing speaker stands and cables for the surrounds really gave the room a much more appealing look.

http://www.noble-fidelity.com/products.aspx

For the fireplace, we did this:


I wish you well with your new installation.
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the TV over the fireplace was the worst place I’ve ever put a TV.
+1. Heat and electronics are not friendly partners. Plus a fire burning would be visually distracting.
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That depends on the seating. My screen reaches to 6 inches below the ceiling, and it's perfect, but my seating is recliners.

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The fireplace will not be used so no heat issues. Plan on using a plasma only with an Omnimount that allows full retraction extension and tilting. Its been a difficult decision for planning and implementation.
No really good solutions based on the room..all compromises

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The other problem with turning the TV from the fireplace to the West wall is that would eliminate any rear surrounds. The ceiling vaults from the back of the house to above the Dining room at 15 feet at an angle

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We moved the front Left and right speakers to directly to the side of the fireplace. We originally had it in the far left and right corners of the room but there was just not enough room and / or I would have to tilt them in so much it was a bad idea.
Wow, so basically you want in-walls installed directly on either side of your Plasma TV...
No wonder you wanted something with wide horizontal dispersion. Personally I would try to go with some quality in-ceiling speakers so you can spread the left and right speakers farther apart. You just will not get enough seperation as you have things planned now. Kind of a waste with those really nice electronics you have.... The best speakers in the world will be severely compromised in that placement unfortunately.

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We have about 5 feet from the front right to the front left speaker. Fireplace is around 36" wide

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