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Hello! I want to get a new 5.1 speaker package and I plan to use my Yamaha HTR-6240 receiver to power the set. I have narrowed my choice between the Pioneer SP-FS52FS package or the Harman Kardon HKTS60 package. Both systems receive excellent user reviews.

Which speaker package would you go with and why?
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The Pioneers would be an obvious choice for me. You're comparing a tower system to small satellite speakers with 2.5" drivers. The FS 52 towers would be a no brainer for me.
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I realize that it is towers vs satellites, however, the HKTS60 has rave reviews. I also don't have that powerful of a receiver so I'm thinking the HKTS60 may be a better choice short of spending money on a new receiver.
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The Pioneers would be an obvious choice for me. You're comparing a tower system to small satellite speakers with 2.5" drivers. The FS 52 towers would be a no brainer for me.
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I realize that it is towers vs satellites, however, the HKTS60 has rave reviews. I also don't have that powerful of a receiver so I'm thinking the HKTS60 may be a better choice short of spending money on a new receiver.
The 6240 will have no problems at all driving the Pioneers.

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The 6240 will have no problems at all driving the Pioneers.

If I went with the Pioneer's, I'm considering getting an extra pair of the front tower speakers to replace the surrounds. Do you think the receiver would have enough power for 4 towers and the center channel?
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If I went with the Pioneer's, I'm considering getting an extra pair of the front tower speakers to replace the surrounds. Do you think the receiver would have enough power for 4 towers and the center channel?
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You know that Frys.com has the Pioneers on sale pretty often, right? And Best Buy will price match them.

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When they are on sale the 52s are usually $77 a piece. Most people get them then and get a different sub because the 8" that comes with the package is a terd. wink.gif

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http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774/pioneers-speaker-genius-hits-low-price-point/4440#post_23692348

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You know that Frys.com has the Pioneers on sale pretty often, right? And Best Buy will price match them.

Thanks! I'm from Canada though, so it's way too expensive to ship two tower speakers to me.
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Thanks! I'm from Canada though, so it's way too expensive to ship two tower speakers to me.
Where would you buy them from?

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I have a local wholesale dealer who will sell me the package for $430 or $550 for the whole thing with 4 towers, center and subwoofer. Seems like a great deal. I'm just really afraid my Yamaha HTR 6240 receiver will be underpowered for 4 towers.
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I have a local wholesale dealer who will sell me the package for $430 or $550 for the whole thing with 4 towers, center and subwoofer. Seems like a great deal. I'm just really afraid my Yamaha HTR 6240 receiver will be underpowered for 4 towers.
Dont be. Ask him how much he will take off if you skip the sub. Im telling you, its a terd. Save up and get a better one.

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Dont be. Ask him how much he will take off if you skip the sub. Im telling you, its a terd. Save up and get a better one.

I'm going to take a change and buy the package with 4 towers and trust you that the 6240 can handle that much speaker. I'm sure the bookshelf speakers are alright as well for surrounds, but by the time I buy decent stands, I might have well spent the money on the 4 towers.

I'm probably going to try the sub out as it's pretty cheap. The Audioholics review seems to say that the sub is not great, but isn't too bad. I can change it out down the road if need be.

What should I set the speakers to for size in the receiver setup (small or large)? I'm assuming the towers are all large. What about the center channel (2 X4" woofers and 1 X 1" tweeter)?

Thanks for your input by the way!
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I have a local wholesale dealer who will sell me the package for $430 or $550 for the whole thing with 4 towers, center and subwoofer. Seems like a great deal. I'm just really afraid my Yamaha HTR 6240 receiver will be underpowered for 4 towers.

No chance that AVR will be in trouble with reasonable speakers.

However, please tell me that this manual does not describe what you are think about buying (and point me to the manual for what you are considering):

http://www.harmankardon.com/resources/Brands/harmankardon/Products/ProductRelatedDocuments/en-US/OwnersManual/Owner's%20Manual%20-%20HKTS%2060BQ%20(English%20EU).pdf

The alleged towers aren't even a foot high and have low 83 dB/w sensitivity. HK isn't even brave enough call the 3" lower range drivers woofers - they call them midranges which is about right.

OTOH, the Pioneer SP FS 52 are far more robust: http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PUSA/Home/Speakers/Home+Theater+Speakers/SP-FS52

Three 5-1/4” Structured Surface Woofers.
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The best deal I could find for the HKTS60 was about $900 so the Pioneers are what I'm going with at nearly half the price.
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Set the center to small. Ordinarily the towers would be small but considering how anemic that sub is you may want to set all of them to large and use the "extra bass" option. That "subwoofer" is more of a mid bass module so the Xover in the Yamaha will probably be 80-100. Wait and see when you get the speakers and listen for what sounds best.

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Set the center to small. Ordinarily the towers would be small but considering how anemic that sub is you may want to set all of them to large and use the "extra bass" option. That "subwoofer" is more of a mid bass module so the Xover in the Yamaha will probably be 80-100. Wait and see when you get the speakers and listen for what sounds best.

Thanks. Yes, the default crossover is 80 Hz, but it is adjustable between 40 Hz and 200 Hz.
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Thanks. Yes, the default crossover is 80 Hz, but it is adjustable between 40 Hz and 200 Hz.
I know. I have a Yamaha RX-V675.

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Dont be. Ask him how much he will take off if you skip the sub. Im telling you, its a terd. Save up and get a better one.

Agreed. Skip the sub. It's not that it sounds that bad, it just can't get loud. Not enough for even medium sized rooms, and you might kill it if you over drive it a lot. And it doesn't extend that low in bass. So it really adds very little to the setup.

Get a BIC F12 or Polk PSW505 (whichever is cheaper). Or even spend a little more for a better sub than those. Those Pioneer speakers are worth having a good sub for movie watching smile.gif That's why Audioholics recommends the SVS PB-1000 to go with them in their review of the Pioneers.

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