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I'm working on a dedicated home theater room in my basement. The room is about 14x15 with a 9-foot ceiling. Now I need my audio selections made...

  • $700 budget
  • 5.1 preferred
  • Need Receiver and Speakers
  • All HDMI output only
  • Primary usage is movies (Blu-ray via Media Center HTPC and Media Browser) and Gaming (Xbox 360)
  • Room can be closed off


I was originally looking at the Energy Take Classics but decided that I probably have the room for larger speakers, though I don't know if the room needs it. Any help would be greatly appreciated. I've looked over so many receivers, they are all starting to merge together in my brain. I've spent a total of 5 hours looking over possibilities so far and I just don't know enough yet. Any suggestions would be GREATLY appreciated!
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fwiw, if this is going to be a dedicated theater room and with a $700 budget for everything I would start with a nice 2.0 system and slowly build the rest of the system when you can. this will save you a lot of money down the road. to start I would not put to much of your budget on the electronics (avr, receiver) a very nice deal would be a denon 1613 avr refurb.( has everything you need to get started including room correction(audyssey) $215 from accessories4less. this gives you $500 for a nice foundation set of fronts .just one example; pair of hsu hb-1mk2 speakers for $370 . put the rest of the unused budget away and start saving for a nice sub. for your size room maybe a svs sound pb-1000 $500. then pick up a hsu hc-1mk2 center or another hb-1mk2 if you have the room to round out your front lcr (you want the front lcr to be the same timbre for best results). then you can mix/ match a pair of books for surrounds (these do not have to be same timbre as fronts).

or if you think this is not something you can do. plan b

same denon 1613avr $215
polk psw505 sub $230 newegg
look at the pioneer sp22 series of speakers. the bookshelf go on sale a lot anywhere from$77 to $100 a pair

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Its definitely a tall order to try to put a nice 5.1 system together along with a receiver with a budget of only $700.

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After these last posts, I'll definitely sound like a parrot... save up, save up, [squawk!] save up. $700 isn't enough, $700 isn't enough... biggrin.gif

You're looking at around the $2,000 mark for half-way decent speakers, a great sub, and a pretty good receiver.

Something like Ascend or HSU speaker packages, an HSU sub, and a Pioneer, Denon, and the like receiver.

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Its definitely a tall order to try to put a nice 5.1 system together along with a receiver with a budget of only $700.

+1 700 will buy you a htib and that's about it. With your budget the used market is calling your name. If you can get a 1k budget and go used that could be really nice.

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2 NHT super zeros and a sub. for $500
200 for a 5.1 receiver.
or shop used.
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I understand that $700 isn't ideal but it's my starting point. Very probable that I'll expand so if there is a good starting point, maybe a 2.1 or fronts/sub and a receiver. I'll check out the Denon to start.

Thanks again everyone. About 3 more weeks and the room should be done.
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Best to start with a 2.0 setup to start and a decent receiver. A good sub will blow your entire $700 budget.

There's a Pioneer 822-k receiver for just over $200 on Amazon right now. Clearance sale. Not bad to get you going.

Then get a pair of Ascend Acoustics CMT-340 SE's. If you push the budget a little bit more, they put their matching pedestals on sale when bought together in one order (effectively turning them into towers). Well regarded budget speakers. Then add more when you can.

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I just bought the front, center and rear setup below.

Front - Pioneer SP-FS52-LR
Center - Pioneer SPC-22
Rear - Pioneer SP-BS22-LR

For the rest I'm thinking...
Sub - BIC America F12
Receiver - Denon 1613 AVR
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Don't get the bic sub. You'll just be disappointed. Can you squeeze a little more for a Hsu stf-2?

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Good to know about the Bic sub. I'll look at the other one.

Think those Pioneer selections are good? Thanks!
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Good to know about the Bic sub. I'll look at the other one.

Think those Pioneer selections are good? Thanks!

If it was me, I'd look at other options besides the Pioneers. They're good for cheap speakers, but that's about it. You may be able to get all your speakers at once due to the price, though I think you'll soon be itching to trying something else soon.

As for the receiver, the Pioneer VSX-822-k is more capable than the Denon 1613.

The Cambridge Audio speakers mentioned before are superior sounding for their price range.

If you want "bigger" sound in a budget speaker, try the HSU Research HB-1's.

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As for the receiver, the Pioneer VSX-822-k is more capable than the Denon 1613.

Thanks for the speaker advice!

I read that the Pioneer VSX-822-k doesn't output everything through HDMI, just component to component, etc. Is that correct?

Is the Pioneer MCACC as good as the Audyssey in the Denon? At my amateur level, I think the setup processes are going to be important.

What would be the next step up in receivers after the these 2?
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As for the receiver, the Pioneer VSX-822-k is more capable than the Denon 1613.

That's highly debatable because of the differences in room correction software.
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Is the Pioneer MCACC as good as the Audyssey in the Denon? At my amateur level, I think the setup processes are going to be important.

Audyssey MultEQ in the Denon will automagically EQ both the speakers AND the sub to help smooth the in-room frequency response. MCACC in that model Pioneer will only EQ the speakers (although it will set the channel level for the sub). Because of this, I'd rather have the Denon.

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That's highly debatable because of the differences in room correction software.
Audyssey MultEQ in the Denon will automagically EQ both the speakers AND the sub to help smooth the in-room frequency response. MCACC in that model Pioneer will only EQ the speakers (although it will set the channel level for the sub). Because of this, I'd rather have the Denon.

I always was under the assumption that Audyssey MultEQ XT was better than just MultEQ in terms of fine tuning (negating some of the benefits over Pioneer's house brand auto calibration), and the 822 has the option for 7.1 or height effects speakers with a pre-amp out, so I recommended the Pioneer over the Denon. Besides, it'll give the OP more money for speakers.

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I always was under the assumption that Audyssey MultEQ XT was better than just MultEQ in terms of fine tuning (negating some of the benefits over Pioneer's house brand auto calibration), and the 822 has the option for 7.1 or height effects speakers with a pre-amp out, so I recommended the Pioneer over the Denon. Besides, it'll give the OP more money for speakers.

MultEQ XT has better filter resolution for the satellites, but the two versions have the same number of subwoofer filters: http://www.audyssey.com/technologies/multeq/flavors (see table at the bottom)

Since subwoofers pretty much always need significant EQ, I'd prefer the Denon with MultEQ over MCACC.

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Would the Denon AVR-e300 be preferable over the Denon AVR-1613?
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Would the Denon AVR-e300 be preferable over the Denon AVR-1613?

First post in this thread would probably help smile.gif
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I ended up with the Pioneers and the Denon a300. Hooked everything up last night and it sounded great. Thanks for all the help everyone!

Now to get the theater room done...
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I ended up with the Pioneers and the Denon a300. Hooked everything up last night and it sounded great. Thanks for all the help everyone!

Awesome! Did you get to run Audyssey yet? That will help, too.

Know that once you get the sub integrated in, your receiver will still probably set the front speakers to large. You should change them to small and try a 60hz and 80hz crossover (whichever sounds better) to let the sub take over the low bass smile.gif

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Now to get the theater room done...

That's the hard part. LOL

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Awesome! Did you get to run Audyssey yet? That will help, too.

Know that once you get the sub integrated in, your receiver will still probably set the front speakers to large. You should change them to small and try a 60hz and 80hz crossover (whichever sounds better) to let the sub take over the low bass smile.gif
That's the hard part. LOL

I got the speakers setup just to make sure there was nothing wrong. That was cake. Nothing serious yet so no Audyssey.

I am so close to being done with the room. Ordered the wall coverings and I'm waiting for that to come in. Just need to get the walls, ceiling and floors covered. And the indirect lighting. Be done in just a few short weeks.
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