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Hi All,

This is a great forum, and I am a big fan of this forum. I am visiting US in couple of months. Right now I am in India.
I am planning to purchase good & durable quality speakers from US during my visit. Can anyone please suggest me good speakers for Movies & Music. My room is 14.5"x12". Once I purchase the speakers, I am not planning to upgrade it for atleast 5-7 years.

My budget is around $1500 for speakers only, excluding sub. Last year when i visited US, i took with me Klipsch 12D" Sub with me.

I was thinking about getting Pioneer SC-1522-K as a receiver which has a built-in amp, i suppose.

One of my concern is that the speakers should be able to work with 240 watts in India.

Thanks very much in advance.
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Hi daudio,

Most of the things that you buy from US and try to use it in India, will require the 240 watts converts.
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I meant converters.
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I meant converters.

Hi deids,

Thanks for the response, But i don't think i will be needing the converters as I will be powering the speakers with the amp.
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Hi deids,

Thanks for the response, But i don't think i will be needing the converters as I will be powering the speakers with the amp.

Yes. You probably are right. But still there will be voltage difference, and you will have to take care of that while plugging in the receiver. (If you decide to buy one from US that is)
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Considering that almost everything you're considering comes from China anyway I'd arrange my travel itinerary to make a stop in Shanghai, the electronics capitol of China, and get what you want there, in 240v versions. Just do your research first and know where to go for what you want. Just be aware that most places will charge a premium for American brands even though they were probably manufactured within the Shanghai city limits. That's where the research comes in to play.

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Considering that almost everything you're considering comes from China anyway I'd arrange my travel itinerary to make a stop in Shanghai, the electronics capitol of China, and get what you want there, in 240v versions. Just do your research first and know where to go for what you want. Just be aware that most places will charge a premium for American brands even though they were probably manufactured within the Shanghai city limits. That's where the research comes in to play.


Hi Bill,

Thanks very much for the reply. If I go with what you said, that is plan my return through sanghai, what brand of speakers do you suggest I should get from Sanghai ? I mean excluding sub, talking about only LCR and surrounds. I was thinking of either 5.1 or 7.2 system.
Also do you agree with me going with Pioneer SC-1522-K ?

Thanks for the response.
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For $1500 USD, I would get five NHT Absolute Zero speakers. NHT had a sale on those for $175 a few weeks ago, so if you talk to them on the phone, they may still give you the discount.

They measured +/-0.9dB from 100Hz-10kHz on Home Theater Magazine. You can read their review. Superbly accurate speakers.

The NHT Absolute Zero’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.94/–0.82 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 83 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 72 Hz. Impedance reaches a minimum of 5.19 ohms at 192 Hz and a phase angle of –46.25 degrees at 111 Hz. Sensitivity is 85dB/2.83v/m.

I used to own the smaller NHT SuperZero and used a 50WPC AVR in a 20' x 20' room just fine. Just set your crossover to 100-120Hz on your AVR.

Spend the remaining budget on better subs like $589 Rythmik LV12 or Denon X2000 w/ Audyssey XT Dynamic EQ, which you can get from Electronics Expo for $400-450 (over the phone or in person deal).
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For $1500 USD, I would get five NHT Absolute Zero speakers. NHT had a sale on those for $175 a few weeks ago, so if you talk to them on the phone, they may still give you the discount.

They measured +/-0.9dB from 100Hz-10kHz on Home Theater Magazine. You can read their review. Superbly accurate speakers.

The NHT Absolute Zero’s listening-window response (a five-point average of axial and +/–15-degree horizontal and vertical responses) measures +0.94/–0.82 decibels from 200 hertz to 10 kilohertz. The –3-dB point is at 83 Hz, and the –6-dB point is at 72 Hz. Impedance reaches a minimum of 5.19 ohms at 192 Hz and a phase angle of –46.25 degrees at 111 Hz. Sensitivity is 85dB/2.83v/m.

I used to own the smaller NHT SuperZero and used a 50WPC AVR in a 20' x 20' room just fine. Just set your crossover to 100-120Hz on your AVR.

Spend the remaining budget on better subs like $589 Rythmik LV12 or Denon X2000 w/ Audyssey XT Dynamic EQ, which you can get from Electronics Expo for $400-450 (over the phone or in person deal).

Thanks for the response AcuDefTechGuy.
One question is that should i go with Rythmik LV12 and return my Klipsh Reference RW 12d ? Please suggest. To be honest I am a newbie and do not understand what you mentioned about dB points and stuff biggrin.gif.

What do you think of CMT-340SE's & SHO-10's ? I have read lot of reviews about it, do you think NHT Absolute Zeros are better than those ?

Thanks again.
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Thanks for the response AcuDefTechGuy.
One question is that should i go with Rythmik LV12 and return my Klipsh Reference RW 12d ? Please suggest. To be honest I am a newbie and do not understand what you mentioned about dB points and stuff biggrin.gif.

What do you think of CMT-340SE's & SHO-10's ? I have read lot of reviews about it, do you think NHT Absolute Zeros are better than those ?

Thanks again.

I would return the Klipsch & get 2 Rythmik LV12 subs. biggrin.gif Multiple subs improve bass response in your room so that one spot does not get all the bass and the other spots get little bass.

Well, objectively the Absolute Zero are better in terms of speaker measurement. Subjectively everyone will differ. Subjectively I think the NHT combined w/ great subs like the Rythmik will sound better than most $10,000 full range big towers.

I think subjectively you would also be happy with Ascend, SHO, and a lot of other speakers.

I can only tell you what I would buy. wink.gif I would probably buy the NHT + Rythmik if my budget were the same. smile.gif

Regarding the frequency response tolerance +/- dB, the smaller the number, the more accurate the speaker. The $6,000 KEF 201/2 monitors and $3,000 Klipsch KL650 monitors are also +/-1dB tolerance in the critical 200Hz-10kHz frequency region (where most of the sound resides). Most accurate speakers are +/-2dB. Most very good speakers are +/-3dB.

But with that being said, not EVERYONE prefers accurate speakers. A lot of people also prefer speakers that measure +/-4dB, +/-5dB, +/-6dB, even +/-10dB.

Bottom line, you should buy the speakers that sound the best subjectively to you if you can audition. Otherwise, if buying "blindly", I would stick to accurate speakers.
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I would return the Klipsch & get 2 Rythmik LV12 subs. biggrin.gif Multiple subs improve bass response in your room so that one spot does not get all the bass and the other spots get little bass.

Well, objectively the Absolute Zero are better in terms of speaker measurement. Subjectively everyone will differ. Subjectively I think the NHT combined w/ great subs like the Rythmik will sound better than most $10,000 full range big towers.

I think subjectively you would also be happy with Ascend, SHO, and a lot of other speakers.

I can only tell you what I would buy. wink.gif I would probably buy the NHT + Rythmik if my budget were the same. smile.gif

Regarding the frequency response tolerance +/- dB, the smaller the number, the more accurate the speaker. The $6,000 KEF 201/2 monitors and $3,000 Klipsch KL650 monitors are also +/-1dB tolerance in the critical 200Hz-10kHz frequency region (where most of the sound resides). Most accurate speakers are +/-2dB. Most very good speakers are +/-3dB.

But with that being said, not EVERYONE prefers accurate speakers. A lot of people also prefer speakers that measure +/-4dB, +/-5dB, +/-6dB, even +/-10dB.

Bottom line, you should buy the speakers that sound the best subjectively to you if you can audition. Otherwise, if buying "blindly", I would stick to accurate speakers.

Got it. Thanks. What do you think about the receiver ? I would like to go for a receiver that has inbuilt amp. so that i do not have to buy amp. separately. Also do you have any information about where to get Rythmik LV12 at a decent price ? Right now I cannot find LV12 anywhere on sale. Thanks a lot.
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Got it. Thanks. What do you think about the receiver ? I would like to go for a receiver that has inbuilt amp. so that i do not have to buy amp. separately. Also do you have any information about where to get Rythmik LV12 at a decent price ? Right now I cannot find LV12 anywhere on sale. Thanks a lot.

All AVR have built-in amps. I would buy a Denon AVR like the X2000, which you can find for $400-$450 from Electronics Expo on the phone.

The LV12 is $589 shipped each. If you buy 2, you get 10% discount.

The SVS PB-1000 is $499 shipped and should also be very good. I think the LV12 is worth the $89.
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All AVR have built-in amps. I would buy a Denon AVR like the X2000, which you can find for $400-$450 from Electronics Expo on the phone.

The LV12 is $589 shipped each. If you buy 2, you get 10% discount.

The SVS PB-1000 is $499 shipped and should also be very good. I think the LV12 is worth the $89.

Thanks very much. Do you mean this AVR ?

http://www.electronics-expo.com/Denon-AVR-X2000-In-command-7-1-Channel-Networking/dp/B00CALM2KS?field_availability=-2&field_browse=6052247011&field_keywords=Denon+X2000&field_product_site_launch_date_utc=-1y&id=Denon+AVR-X2000+In-command+7+1-Channel+Networking&ie=UTF8&refinementHistory=brandtextbin%2Csubjectbin%2Ccolor_map%2Cprice%2Csize_name%2Cspecial_features&searchKeywords=Denon+X2000&searchNodeID=6052247011&searchPage=1&searchRank=salesrank&searchSize=12


If yes, its $649 right now. I see that it also has Audyssey MultEQ XT. Do you suggest if I call them, they would reduce it to $450 ?
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Also, what do you think about this set:

http://springfield.craigslist.org/ele/3965715847.html
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The psb speakers are really good with percussion sounds,very natural.

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The psb speakers are really good with percussion sounds,very natural.

Which ones are you suggesting for PSB ? and what do you think about the suggestion that AcuDefTechGuy gave about NHT Absolute Zero ?

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The psb speakers are really good with percussion sounds,very natural.

Which ones are you suggesting for PSB ? and what do you think about the suggestion that AcuDefTechGuy gave about NHT Absolute Zero ?

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PSB Image B4,B5 or B6 ,the other ones are out of your budget.

4 psb image bookshelf and 1 center psb C4 or C5.

NHT Absolute Zero also very good speakers.

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One of my concern is that the speakers should be able to work with 240 watts in India.
Since speakers are powered by the receiver, there is no issue with voltage levels in a country. You can buy and use speakers in any country in the world.

Why not just buy a receiver in India?
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Since speakers are powered by the receiver, there is no issue with voltage levels in a country. You can buy and use speakers in any country in the world.

Why not just buy a receiver in India?

Yes. That might be a good idea. Since I am more concerned about the speakers, I might as well do that.

One thing is that I do not want to upgrade my speakers in every 2 years. I want speakers that lasts long without any issues. That being said, surrounds can be compromised, but the LCR & the sub is where I want to make a good decision.

Thanks for the response buzzy_.
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Can anyone comment on the following deal :

http://hartford.craigslist.org/ele/4044341387.html

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Why you want to buy from craigslist with 1,500 to spend on speakers?


The black speaker on the left have a dent or damage at the right corner ,I can see no paint there.

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Hi Guys,

Which Receiver should i get for the following setup (If I choose the following setup) so that I can save on separate amp:


3 X SHO-10/Pro-10
2 X Rythmik LV12R
2 X Klipsch Synergy B-20 Bookshelf speaker

I was thinking if Marantz would work or should I go with Denon.

Any suggestions will be very helpful.

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Hi Guys,

Which Receiver should i get for the following setup (If I choose the following setup) so that I can save on separate amp:


3 X SHO-10/Pro-10
2 X Rythmik LV12R
2 X Klipsch Synergy B-20 Bookshelf speaker

I was thinking if Marantz would work or should I go with Denon.

Any suggestions will be very helpful.

Thanks

Either one would work. Get whichever is less expensive.
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I think Marantz is a little slick, while Denon is a little kind of bulky.
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