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Right now I really have no clue what I'm doing. I've always gotten HTIB, to be honest I never thought much of it until I heard fire crackling in 300 on a high quality system vs. the one I currently have. Basically 2 fronts, a center, plus a subwoofer. Maybe 2 subs seeing as how it might be necessary.

It will be used primarily for 50% Home Theater, 40% PS3/4, 10% music.
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So you don't plan on doing any research of your own, you just want someone to "build" either a 2.1, 2.2 or 3.1 or 3.2 system depending on how you read your title or your post? I assume by build you simply want someone to tell you what to buy rather than actually construct the speakers for you? What else would you like with your order, sir, an order of separate pre-amp/processor and amps or just an avr? We can put it in any kind of room, whether or not it's yours?

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So you don't plan on doing any research of your own, you just want someone to "build" either a 2.1, 2.2 or 3.1 or 3.2 system depending on how you read your title or your post? I assume by build you simply want someone to tell you what to buy rather than actually construct the speakers for you? What else would you like with your order, sir, an order of separate pre-amp/processor and amps or just an avr? We can put it in any kind of room, whether or not it's yours?

Actually my living room is rather small. Probably 11"x15". What I got so far is

Center- Klipsch RC-64 II Center Speaker - $1,400
Two Front's- Klipsch RF-7 II - $3,200
Subwoofer - SVS PB13 - $2,000
A/V Reciever - Pioneer Elite sc-57 - $2,000

Total: $8,600.

Does it look alright? Also are these the cords I can use to connect them easily? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00770XLSE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A29BZ1S30D0GLZ
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Well is your budget $8600 or $4000...?

Here is what I would get for $4000:

Denon X4000
Klipsch RB-81 II
(2) Rythmik FV15

This gives you Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ, plenty of dynamics for movies, and plenty of deep articulate bass.

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So you don't plan on doing any research of your own, you just want someone to "build" either a 2.1, 2.2 or 3.1 or 3.2 system depending on how you read your title or your post? I assume by build you simply want someone to tell you what to buy rather than actually construct the speakers for you? What else would you like with your order, sir, an order of separate pre-amp/processor and amps or just an avr? We can put it in any kind of room, whether or not it's yours?

Actually my living room is rather small. Probably 11"x15". What I got so far is

Center- Klipsch RC-64 II Center Speaker - $1,400
Two Front's- Klipsch RF-7 II - $3,200
Subwoofer - SVS PB13 - $2,000
A/V Reciever - Pioneer Elite sc-57 - $2,000

Total: $8,600.

Does it look alright? Also are these the cords I can use to connect them easily? http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00770XLSE/ref=ox_sc_act_title_4?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A29BZ1S30D0GLZ

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try this, and as an option add these, but only if you want to, they should not add or subtract anything.

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Right now I really have no clue what I'm doing. I've always gotten HTIB, to be honest I never thought much of it until I heard fire crackling in 300 on a high quality system vs. the one I currently have. Basically 2 fronts, a center, plus a subwoofer. Maybe 2 subs seeing as how it might be necessary.

It will be used primarily for 50% Home Theater, 40% PS3/4, 10% music.

these when on sale plus the matching center and surrounds if you wish. And a couple of these.

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3 of these will give you great dynamics and most of the owners swear by them. As for the subs 2 high output subs would be the way to go. Based on your budget I would start with one and add a second later on. Take a look at the JTR captivator 2400. JTR captivator 2400. This is one of the best subs available. I agree with the denon x4000. It Is a great avr and these speakers need such little power to get to extremely loud levels that anything would work.
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Although I love JTR speakers, I personally think a JTR system would be over his budget.

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For pretty much $4000 you could build a really nice 3.2 setup consisting of three Klipsch KL-650-THX's and two PSA XV15 subs.
The AVS store will sell the KL-650's for $800ea and when you buy two subs from PSA you get a 5% discount so two would cost $1520 shipped.

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Well is your budget $8600 or $4000...?

Here is what I would get for $4000:

Denon X4000
Klipsch RB-81 II
(2) Rythmik FV15

This gives you Audyssey XT32 and SubEQ, plenty of dynamics for movies, and plenty of deep articulate bass.

I really like that system, however Rythmik no longer sells the vanilla FV15 anymore, just the FV15HP. However, the FV15HP would not be a bad substitute in that system! I think another great sub for just over $1k would be this big guy. The drivers used in that are very high quality, and the cabinet is absolutely inert (it weighs a ton), so the sound quality should be razor sharp. There is also the kit version of that dual driver sub, where a little bit of assembly can save you $150.

Here is another under $4k 2.2 that will kill:
Harman Kardon 3490 stereo receiver
Pi Three speakers, with lacquer finish
Hsu VTF3 mk4 dual drive

It gives up some bass headroom and room equalization for some pretty heavy duty dynamics. You would also want to add a high pass filter to that setup though. Altogether it would come in under $4k shipped.
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these when on sale plus the matching center and surrounds if you wish. And a couple of these.

Eee gads! eek.gif OP is looking at spending $4K plus and you recommend bottom of the line towers? While they may be alright for the price I'm sure there are better options for the OP's budget.

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"Center- Klipsch RC-64 II Center Speaker - $1,400
Two Front's- Klipsch RF-7 II - $3,200
Subwoofer - SVS PB13 - $2,000
A/V Reciever - Pioneer Elite sc-57 - $2,000

Total: $8,600."

What you have is a big waste of money. You don't need a $2k receiver for a space that size. You could get something $400 and with that amount of space, they'd probably sound the same. For the speakers, they've available very cheap used on Craigslist. Speakers aren't like a car. They don't quickly break down over time.

For a space that small, everything you have is overkill. You're spending $8000 to address an emotional need for a stereo. You're not fulfilling a need for a certain type of sound.

You could spend $2k on that space and then spend the rest on something more important than things. Take a family vacation, trip for yourself to Europe, update your house, take friends to dinner, give to charity, take out your significant other, etc. Should you wish to indulge yourself, there are a lot better things you can do with $6k that don't involve sitting at home playing video games.
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Sounddistributors has the RF-7 and RC-64 package in the B grade cherry veneer for $3500. There's a code for 15% off too so under $3k. I'm a big fan of Craigslist because I have lower budgets.

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I was going off of the $8600 that he used for the Klipsch system. I do agree though that if $4000 is what the max is then the Klipsch THX at 800/ea would be best
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That small room won't need a lot of speakers & subs to sound great.

I say just get 3 NHT Absolute Zero (List Win FR 100Hz-10kHz +/-1dB) plus dual Rythmik LV12 subs. Since the room is small, just place the 2 NHT L/R on black wood speaker stands atop the 2 subs. Get the Denon X4000. Run Audyssey XT32 + DEQ. Also mount 2 NHT SuperZero speakers on the back wall to complete the system.

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I missed how small his room is. I will change my suggestion:

2 x these Dayton Dual Driver subs
KEF Q300
and the Denon X4000

That system should sing nicely but still have lots of punch.
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Eee gads! eek.gif OP is looking at spending $4K plus and you recommend bottom of the line towers? While they may be alright for the price I'm sure there are better options for the OP's budget.

I think he must of saw 400.00 budget.biggrin.gif

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I don't know what the OP's thoughts are on used speakers but these SHO'10's for only $900
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1486523/3-chase-sho-10s-near-chicago

And this JTR Cap 2400 would make for a pretty kick a$$ setup for under $2500 with shipping.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1488654/jtr-cap-2400-oak-upgrade-passive-model-crown-amp

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^^ good suggestion.

a cap subwoofer and a pair of jbl 3677's and an avr will get you off to a great start.

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JBL 3677s in a 11'x15' room?
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^^ sure, why not?

tons of folks use wayne parham's 4 pi's in similar settings to good effect and they are essentially the same thing, but in more of a diy version.

or you could spend a boatload more and get the jbl k2's, which are more or less in the same family.

or you could get the studio version m2's, which again, are more or less in the same family.

they all just cost a lot more. :-)

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There is no reason why not, if it sounds good in that setting, and it very well could. So much of its potential would never be tapped though. I think the Pi speakers are more like Hi Fi than pro speakers though, although the dynamic range might be similar.

I seem to remember reading that the JBLs cinema speaker sound doesn't really come together until you are a certain distance away from the speaker, I think MKtheater said that, and in a room like that there isn't a lot of distance from anything. You might not need that kind of space with Pi speakers.

Hot damn would I love to have some K2s.
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^^ actually it crosses around 1.2khz which is about the same as the 4pi

http://www.jblpro.com/BackOffice/ProductAttachments/3677SpecSheet.pdf

and the woofer on the 3677 may actually be a little cleaner in the midrange, but both will absolutely smoke most every hi-fi speaker when it comes to dynamics and that is where the life is in the music!

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dr. geddes has a similar set of loudspeakers called the summas. essentially the same idea--compression driver top, ~1khz cross, 15 inch woofer with good inductance control on the bottom. very nice, but just not as good of a value.

not meant to be played super loud. just meant to play back the music as it was meant to be heard and not crush dynamics!

that's dr. g. on the left and the summa, which is now a sealed design in middle.


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Isn't 1.2 kHz a bit high for a 15" woofer? Anyway the Four Pi can be upgraded to the JBL 2226 which I believe is a higher end woofer than the 3677's 2035h woofer.

Hot damn would I love to have that summa. Its a shame he doesn't make em anymore.
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in my head the 4pi only comes with the 2226!

1.2 kHz is a smidge high, but that's about where it matches to the off axis directivity of a 90 degree horn.

the 2035 is actually a really nice woofer and in my estimation it would have the midrange advantage against the 2226 given its inductance.

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you could always diy a summa for a crap ton less money.

the woofer runs about $350, the cd around $125 or a copy for about half as much, and a seos horn is pretty cheap. a sealed enclosure is available as a flat pack, but you'd have to check on the driver cutout (diysoundgroup.com). you'd need a crossover network, but that can be arranged. :-) where there is a will, there is a way.

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also, i forgot to mention Yorkville unity u15's. very nice. very dynamic there too!!

haha, something about me tonight...3 posts in a row again! maybe i'm just too fast and everybody else is too slow tonight, so it looks like i am posting too much. :-)

yeah, that and an amp is really all one needs to get started: http://yorkville.com/loudspeakers/unity/product/u15/

put the rest of the money into subwoofers..lots of them!



Yorkville takes on geddes:

http://www.audiokarma.org/forums/showthread.php?t=262345

abbey's are also an option. 12" version of the summa's. see thread above.


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