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Hi guys, I'll try to provide as much information as possible:

Room: 12' x 23'
Floor: wood

Interests - Movies (Action / Drama) / Television

Television: Panasonic TC-P65ZT60 (Incoming couple weeks)


We've gone around to a couple place to check out some 5.1 systems.

(i) Heard a Klipsch setup (~$2,300 Cdn.) including a 10" subwoofer. I'm sorry I don't recall the model numbers. RC - something. Absolutely terrible. The fronts were boomy, yet crap, and the center was really distant. Sounded like Obi-wan Kenobi was talking in a tunnel a mile away. Both of us walked out of the store someone confused by how a $2,300 system could sound so terrible.
My guess is, they weren't setup properly.

(ii) Heard a Paradigm and B&W setup at another high end store. Both were nice, with the B&W setup, sounding amazing. B&W was about $2,800 Cdn. The vocals were great, super clear. The bass and subwoofer sounded so crisp.

So, this gives us an idea, yet I think my dad is leaning towards something less expensive.

We just don't know where to begin.


Suggestions for 5.1 $1,000 - $1,500 possible?
How about the Cambridge S30's and something suitable for the center / rears and sub?

Suggestions for a 3d ready suitable wattage etc. Receiver to pair them up too would be great.


Thanks in advance,

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SVS Audio is one of the better Internet direct subwoofer manufacturers here in the US, and they have a Canadian distributor. Would be out of your budget, but this PB-1000 is an amazing sub.

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"My guess is, they weren't setup properly."

that's the big challenge. most of what you hear in a store is actually the store! not the speaker. reflections, modes, maligned electronics, and all the rest of it make judging in a store nearly impossible, so don't sweat your experience. same thing in your room. most of what you hear will actually be your room! so look into fixing that before judging your speaker too hard.

i'd just suggest that you find something that measures reasonably flat in frequency response, plays reasonably loud in spl, and has relatively good distortion numbers. set it up properly in a well treated room and you can't go too wrong.

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cel will love this because i'm double posting tonight... :-)

BUT, yours is precisely the problem as to why there are 6000 different speakers on the market and nobody agrees on which sounds better or worse. so many of them are so close that despite what the marketers would have you believe, they sound more similar than different.

this is the product that jbl/Harman uses in its reference listening room/laboratory:

http://www.jblpro.com/BackOffice/ProductAttachments/JBL.LSR6332.pdf

low distortion. smooth response. decent sensitivity. good off axis behavior.

if it will play loud enough for you, there really isn't much not too like about it other than price.

for a lower cost and lower spl but good performer:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/103681479/SLReport10-05

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cel will love this because i'm double posting tonight... :-)

I didn't pay attention to that LOL
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these could work for a sub/sat system. http://www.behringer.com/EN/Products/B2031P.aspx

little over a hundred bucks a pop.

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J, it looks like you have a keen ear and a great turn of phase:
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(i) Heard a Klipsch setup (~$2,300 Cdn.) including a 10" subwoofer. I'm sorry I don't recall the model numbers. RC - something. Absolutely terrible. The fronts were boomy, yet crap, and the center was really distant. Sounded like Obi-wan Kenobi was talking in a tunnel a mile away. Both of us walked out of the store someone confused by how a $2,300 system could sound so terrible.
My guess is, they weren't setup properly.

This seems to be my stock recommendation lately, but I just can't go past this Ascend Acoustics / Rythmik Audio system for performance and value:
  • Mains: CMT-340 SE MINI-TOWER MONITOR
  • Centre: CMT-340 SE CENTER CHANNEL SPEAKER
  • Surrounds: CBM-170 SE BOOKSHELF MONITOR
  • Sub: LV12R REAR PORTED SERVO SUB

If you add all these to the cart it totals $1628. Shipping comes to $94 in the US; I assume more in Canada plus duties, taxes etc. Perhaps $1800 all up for a great bang for your buck system. This is a big call, but for a clear, dynamic sounding movie experience, it would likely put the $2800 B&W system in the shade.

The SVS PB-1000 suggested by cel4145 is also a great performing budget sub. Both it and the Rythmik would stomp on many shop-bought subs costing much more.

In either case, for the size of your room and for smoothing out the bass response over the listening area, I suggest budgeting for a second identical sub later on. (Rythmik offer a discount if you order a second sub within a month.)

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low distortion. smooth response. decent sensitivity. good off axis behavior.
Tick (I guess). Tick! Tick! Tick! :
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340m/cmt340mmeas.html

Hi LTD. I'd be quite interested in your thoughts on those measurements ^ and the quality of Ascend's components in general.
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looks ok out to about 30 degrees, so like most speakers of this form factor and design absorption to take care of first reflections will help a great deal.

the components are what they are. i don't see anything special there, but that's not required to have a nice little speaker. price doesn't seem particularly great, but price doesn't seem unreasonable either.

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Thanks for the tips guys. Wow, lots of choices it's mind boggling.

The TV was easy choice (well, unless 4K is going mainstream soon, hope not).
The stand with bracket was easy as pie
The 3d blu-ray player was easy as pie.

The receiver, narrowed down to a few, with Marantz nr1403 looking like a possibility. That's another 1001 choices field.

The speakers though...wooh nelly.
Lots to chew on. I doubt I can get those CMT/CBM speakers in Canada, but sure sounds like you know your stuff. I'll look into it.


The reason why I mentioned Cambridge S30 was because it's so easy to get up the street and at $300 / pair, would that be something that just doesn't impress as much as the other suggestions here? Or would that be shitting on the Panasonic ZT and not doing the sound justice?

We're definitely going to take the time and browse the 1001 options wink.gif
Thanks for the detailed setup suggestion Giegar.

Isn't it risky ordering speakers online, if you've never listened to them before?



-Yes, have an area rug wink.gif

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Given that in Canada, you guys usually pay close to MSRP all the time, the S30s probably be a good value even that price.

Since you can buy them locally, get your receiver and then buy a pair and demo at home smile.gif

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