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Hi,

I've been a longtime reader but first time contributor - I have a set of RF-62 floor speakers, matched center, and an HSU VTF-1 subwoofer. However, we moved into a new house and I don't have space for all of that - we have built-ins that are 10.75" deep, 10" tall, and ~ 28" wide. I'm looking for a 2.1 system of bookshelf speakers and a small (preferably wireless) subwoofer. Trying to spend about $500-600 on the bookshelves and whatever on the subwoofer. Receiver is an Onkyo SR608.

After reading, I got a set of BW 686s, which fit size-wise, but I wish were a bit louder and a bit more bass. It seems like the RC-10s would work, but I can't find them new anywhere (or locally to demo). The Klipsch RF-51 IIs I think would be a bit too deep (I think) and are rear-firing, which would mean they fire directly into the back of the built-ins, which wouldn't work. Any other suggestions?

Thanks so much in advance.
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Forgot to mention - speakers are mainly for TV/home theater/some music via Sonos.
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KEF q100/300 or any NHT speaker.

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KEF q100/300 or any NHT speaker.

NHTs are sealed. I'd be worried that they might not give the bass that you are looking for since they tend to have a higher crossover point than ported speakers. But still worth trying since they have very good sound.

Monitor Audio Bronze speakers are front ported and could work well.

Outlaw Audio's OAW3 wireless system could work well with any sub. SVS SB12-NSD is smaller than your VTF-1. Here is an in-depth review: http://www.audioholics.com/subwoofer-reviews/sb12-nsd-subwoofer

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Last year I auditioned 3 NHT speakers - SuperZero 2, Absolute Zero, Classic 2. Great sounding speakers with superb detail and clarity but, as cel4145 alluded to, noticeably lacking in the low end. And (to my ears) they were even a bit thin in the lower-mid-range. That being said, I think the Absolute Zero and Classic two would work fine for HT/TV if you had a very good, accurate sub. A cheap sub, i.e. thumpy or blurry, might not play/blend well enough across a higher crossover.

(FWIW at the time I was comparing the NHT's to the KEF Q100 which I kept - music listening was equal priority with HT listening for me, and I personally really enjoy the KEF's imaging.)

To my ears the Monitor Audio Bronze BX2 is also a very nice speaker, and, it's come down in price in the last year ... too late for me wink.gif

I actually own the SVS SB12-NSD and highly recommend it. It is unusually small for a sub in it's class (basically a 14" cube), and in my room/space that was a priority. Like several other highly recommended subs in that price range (Outlaw, Rhythmik, HSU) is has excellent detail, accuracy, clarity, dynamics, etc. The caveat is, being a smaller sub it doesn't play quite as strongly below 20hz as the larger PB version or some of the other, larger subs mentioned. But that has never bothered me.
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I know that NHT super zeros are good speakers ,but I see that once someone recommend the speaker in one thread ,they keep recommending the same speaker on every thread,the NHT have no bass, no port ,if you want a better performance you need speakers that are able to produce bass down to 80hz then with the sub you will get the performance that you need for movies. The higher crossover settings that THX recommend is 80hz.
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I know that NHT super zeros are good speakers ,but I see that once someone recommend the speaker in one thread ,they keep recommending the same speaker on every thread,the NHT have no bass, no port ,if you want a better performance you need speakers that are able to produce bass down to 80hz then with the sub you will get the performance that you need for movies. The higher crossover settings that THX recommend is 80hz.

Well for the OP's budget, place and size restructuons, no bookshelf is going to perform well enough to meet any semblance of THX performance. You lose nothing crossing over any small bookshelf at 100 or even 120 hz. A good sub such as the SB 12 will have more output at 100 or 120 hz than some small inexpensive bookshelf speaker.

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I'm not sure but I think that this speakers start to roll off at 150hz.


but you are correct I didn't read the OP first post lol just the second post.
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The SB12 plays quite well in it's upper range - generally a good recommendation for systems where a higher than typical crossover is needed.

I agree that the SuperZero's are good speakers, but (IMHO) for all practical purposes they are a satellite speaker. For a fuller sound, and for better music listening, the NHT Classic 2 and the KEF Q100/Q300 are better choices.

If the OP want's to go down the satellite road there are different options all together.
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I'm not sure but I think that this speakers start to roll off at 150hz.

Yep. Here are measurements. smile.gif

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I just picked up a pair of Monitor Audio Radius 90 HD to use as rears, and IMO they'd definitely be competent as a stereo pair when paired with a sub. Before placing them as surrounds I switched them out with my RX1 and listened to some music on them paired with my small REL sub. While they seemed to give a less realistic delivery of mids I found them to be more than satisfactory, and they are extremely compact - less than eight inches tall. I don't think that you'll find a bookshelf that can play very low within your size constraints, but using a sub would solve that. Rocketfish makes a new "universal" wireless RF subwoofer transmitter/receiver connection kit that seems to work pretty well:

http://www.rocketfishproducts.com/products/home-theater/RF-WSW312.html

http://www.monitoraudiousa.com/products/radius-hd/r90hd/#/overview

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Thanks for the helpful responses, I'll go listen to the Monitor Audios and NHTs this weekend and look into the smaller subs. Are the wireless kits pretty reliable?
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I can't speak for the wireless sub kit since I've never used it, but I have used the Rocketfish wireless rear speaker kit (RF-WHTIB) for my surrounds on and off for the last couple of years and it's pretty great. Once in a great while the sender and receiver lose sync (mostly just when my power goes out) and I have to give the power button on the receiver a quick push. Sounds fine, although it is RF so it can be susceptible to interference, ymmv.

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