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post #1 of 20 Old 09-15-2013, 08:46 PM - Thread Starter
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Planning on selling my current system and upgrading soon... any thoughts would be appreciated smile.gif

Denon-AVR-X4000 http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-X4000--command-7-2-Channel-Networking/dp/B00CALM17C/ref=sr_1_1?s=aht&ie=UTF8&qid=1379299303&sr=1-1
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2 Ascend CMT-340 SE mains http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340m/cmt340m.html
1 Ascend CMT-340 SE C center http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cmt340c/cmt340c.html
4 Ascend CBM-170 SE surround http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/products/speakers/cbm170/cbm170.html
-$1,398.00

Rythmik F25 Direct Servo subwoofer http://www.rythmikaudio.com/F25.html
$1399

$4096 without shipping on the Denon and Rythmik.

I wouldn't mind changing anything. I would like to have a great front and center.
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Looks like a great system. I would probably swing for the FV15HP over the F25. The FV15HP has a beefier driver and the ports will give you bigger output down lower. Either one will be great though. Your proposed AVR does have the ability to calibrate two subs independently though, it's a shame to waste this ability. You might also think about two F15s. Two Hsu VTF3s would be killer as well, and probably cost less than a shipped F25. You might also think about getting a F15HP now and getting another later for maximum sound quality. To be honest, between the F25 and F15HP, I would go for the F15HP, it has a better driver and could possibly have better sound quality.
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The FV15HP has a beefier driver and the ports will give you bigger output down lower.

Thats what I'm looking for... I hate boomy bass so maybe 2 subs at low volume set at 80hz would be good. Sub/s will be mounted under the floor. I considered dual Epik Empires but it seems like Epik is always out of stock.

My main concern is having a good center stage. My current set up struggles with movie dialogue and volume fluctuations.
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The Denon and Ascends should solve your dialogue problem pretty handily. Make sure you follow the setup and recommended placement advice with the center speaker. Make sure you run Audyssey with as many different listening position measurements as you can.
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Finding a center with outstanding clarity has been my holy grail. I've thus far had

- def tech Procinema 2000
- SVS SCS
- Aperion verus grand
- boston acoustics vs 325
- salk song center

and now using a custom center designed by Selah audio to match my songtowers. I've finally reached a point of satisfaction. We can watch a movie at low/moderate levels and head everything perfectly. I'm sure there are better centers out there, but I've reached my sweet spot at a chat of $1050.

I'm just throwing it out there that if dialogue clarity is your main concern, maybe re-shuffle the budget, or make do with a 3.0 for now....
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Looks like a great system. I would probably swing for the FV15HP over the F25. The FV15HP has a beefier driver and the ports will give you bigger output down lower. Either one will be great though. Your proposed AVR does have the ability to calibrate two subs independently though, it's a shame to waste this ability. You might also think about two F15s. Two Hsu VTF3s would be killer as well, and probably cost less than a shipped F25. You might also think about getting a F15HP now and getting another later for maximum sound quality. To be honest, between the F25 and F15HP, I would go for the F15HP, it has a better driver and could possibly have better sound quality.


I was just thinking whether the OP should go with two Rythmik LV12R ? Would'nt it go well with ascend ?

Just a thought.

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Finding a center with outstanding clarity has been my holy grail. I've thus far had

- def tech Procinema 2000
- SVS SCS
- Aperion verus grand
- boston acoustics vs 325
- salk song center

and now using a custom center designed by Selah audio to match my songtowers. I've finally reached a point of satisfaction. We can watch a movie at low/moderate levels and head everything perfectly. I'm sure there are better centers out there, but I've reached my sweet spot at a chat of $1050.

I'm just throwing it out there that if dialogue clarity is your main concern, maybe re-shuffle the budget, or make do with a 3.0 for now....

The Selah CBT120 looks like a beast lol. I think Salk and Selah are a little too expensive for me. I wouldn't mind spending more its just that Ascend is the closest I could find for my budget.

If anyone has any recommendations for a $1500 L/C/R I'd gladly consider it; I'd like to avoid DIY, though. My current L/C/R doesn't match and was about 600$ so anything will be an improvement.
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I was just thinking whether the OP should go with two Rythmik LV12R ? Would'nt it go well with ascend ?

Just a thought.

Thx

I'll probably go with 1 FV15HP for now... I'm more concerned about L/C/R.
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Yeah, it can be a budget buster. but if dialogue clarity was the ultimate goal I wanted to mention it.

Couple thoughts:

- what's your current avr? Do you have to upgrade it right away?
- would you consider the used market? That's how I cobbled together my whole system (save for the center) and is the only reason I was able to afford it.
- are you a bass head? Can you spend less on sub? Come to think if it, what are your listening habits?
- would you do B-stock? Every now and then ascend has sierra towers and horizon center in b-stock, but you have to call to find out
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For speakers there are lots of options.

Klipsch RB-81's for mains:http://www.klipsch.com/rb-81-ii-bookshelf-speaker
Klipsch RC62 for center:http://www.klipsch.com/rc-62-ii-center-speaker
Klipsch RS52 for surrounds:http://www.klipsch.com/rs-52-ii-surround-speaker

Also choices from Triad, RBH Atlantic Technology and others in your price range. I like SVS for sub choices. Lot of bang for the buck with the PB1000. If we can help you, give us a call.

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Yeah, it can be a budget buster. but if dialogue clarity was the ultimate goal I wanted to mention it.

Couple thoughts:

- what's your current avr? Do you have to upgrade it right away?
- would you consider the used market? That's how I cobbled together my whole system (save for the center) and is the only reason I was able to afford it.
- are you a bass head? Can you spend less on sub? Come to think if it, what are your listening habits?
- would you do B-stock? Every now and then ascend has sierra towers and horizon center in b-stock, but you have to call to find out

What are the best places/websites to look for used market ? or B-stock market ?
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You have to call the manufacturers directly for B-stock.

Used, there are lots of options. I've used AVS classifieds, Audiogon, Videogon, Audiocircle and Emotiva Lounge myself. I'm sure there are more sites out there.
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Denon X4000 + Ascend + Rythmik FV15HP look good.

Talk to Electronics Expo on the Denon. They will negotiate. Back when the 3312, 3313 came out and listed $1200, they sold them for $800 and less as the year went on.

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Denon X4000 + Ascend + Rythmik FV15HP look good.

Talk to Electronics Expo on the Denon. They will negotiate. Back when the 3312, 3313 came out and listed $1200, they sold them for $800 and less as the year went on.

3312's were sold at a loss by some dealers that had excess stock when the 3313 replacement came out. Same thing could happen next April/May when the replacement for the X4000 comes out, but right now the X4000 is only a few months old, nobody is going to sell it at a loss. Especially when it is such a hot selling AVR. That AVR with us has outsold all others by a huge margin.

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3312's were sold at a loss by some dealers that had excess stock when the 3313 replacement came out. Same thing could happen next April/May when the replacement for the X4000 comes out, but right now the X4000 is only a few months old, nobody is going to sell it at a loss. Especially when it is such a hot selling AVR. That AVR with us has outsold all others by a huge margin.
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Yeah, it can be a budget buster. but if dialogue clarity was the ultimate goal I wanted to mention it.

Couple thoughts:

- what's your current avr? Do you have to upgrade it right away? Its the first thing I should do, its junk
- would you consider the used market? That's how I cobbled together my whole system (save for the center) and is the only reason I was able to afford it. Probably
- are you a bass head? Can you spend less on sub? Come to think if it, what are your listening habits? Not really I 40/60 music movies don't use a sub unless I have company or 10% of the time alone
- would you do B-stock? Every now and then ascend has sierra towers and horizon center in b-stock, but you have to call to find out Probably
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Is it possible to use two separate speakers for the center channel? If I could do that I would be very happy.
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You don't want to use tow separate centers, sorry. That would cause all kinds of problems.
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You don't want to use tow separate centers, sorry. That would cause all kinds of problems.

Two speakers of the same model is what I meant
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Two speakers of the same model is what I meant

Yeah I understand. It will create problems with lobing and interference. It will be very detrimental to the sound. It will also be very tough on the AVR unless the speakers are self-powered.
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