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Looks like it's down to JTR, Triads and Pi speakers. With 2 subs the Triads are coming out to be cheaper.
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The PI speaker will also be too wide if using the 15 inch driver. I would say down to JTR and Triads. Any Danley speakers that fit the size and budget?

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The PI speaker will also be too wide if using the 15 inch driver. I would say down to JTR and Triads. Any Danley speakers that fit the size and budget?

None of the Danley stuff will work. They are wide and very deep. A SM60F is 20.6" deep. Also 20.6" wide. The SM60M is 20.6" x 20.6" x 16.3" deep. Way above budget also. The front three would be above the top end of his budget.

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Same size as the smallest BFM DR, the DR-200 which is too big for the OP. The Klipsch THX ultra 2's are nice but you need a deal on them. I don't like them at retail as I would go JTR 228 instead. The Sho-10's would have been a good option but the SEOS would be a replacement. Which Triads are we talking here, I would take JTR's over any Triad under the golds. Golds and up it is a preference thing.
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You might also consider the JBL LSR6332 monitors. They are $1560 shipped each. They are some of the best measuring speakers you can buy at any price. They are THX pm3 certified which means they can be used to mix and create THX sound tracks- that is NOT an easy certification to get. They won't have the dynamic range of Pi, JTR, or JBL cinema, but they will still pack a punch and be more accurate besides. According to this SPL calculator they could still hold reference level sound in your room with headroom to spare. If it were me, it would be a choice between the JBL LSRs and the Pi Fours. The Pis will have great accuracy and insane dynamic range and the JBLs will have great dynamic range and have unmatched accuracy. If you want a speaker with similar levels of performance, you will have to work your way up to the higher end $11k pair Genelec monitors (very nice!), the $20k Revel Salon 2s, or some crazy expensive JBL Synthesis setup.

If the Pi Fours are too big, consider the Pi Threes. The Pi Three measurements have flatter on-axis measurements anyway, and they will still have lots of headroom to spare. As with the Fours, I would get them with upgraded drivers. The Threes have terrific measurements.
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Remember guys, the front wall will be a baffle wall so I need the LCR to fit on those.

I'm going to buy Genelacs or something better when I win the lottery; in the meantime I need something sounding good in the 7K range biggrin.gif So far awesome info, can't thank you guys enough.

Which is cheaper - Triads or JTR's (with one sub, will add a second sub later)
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Remember guys, the front wall will be a baffle wall so I need the LCR to fit on those.

I'm going to buy Genelacs or something better when I win the lottery; in the meantime I need something sounding good in the 7K range biggrin.gif So far awesome info, can't thank you guys enough.

Which is cheaper - Triads or JTR's (with one sub, will add a second sub later)

Triads.

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Triads.

You must be talking about Triad Silvers when you said triads are cheaper right?
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You must be talking about Triad Silvers when you triads are cheaper right?



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I guess if you're set on inwalls then yeah definitely get Triads. Personally unless you absolutely have to go with inwall speakers because of space I just think its a waste to get them. It limits you in a lot of ways and then have lesser performance when compared to say Triad Silver monitors for example.
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Why get inwalls if you are building a baffle wall?

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Why get inwalls if you are building a baffle wall?

The in-wall recommendation was for the surrounds...the baffle wall will be in the front for LCR's.
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Skip the SVS subs, get dual Cap 2400's passive and run a single 5000 watt amp on them for the same price!

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Skip the SVS subs, get dual Cap 2400's passive and run a single 5000 watt amp on them for the same price!

+1 on this. The caps will be a lot better.
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Nothing on my Cap S2 reco?
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Nothing on my Cap S2 reco?

Cap S2 is double the price of SVS PB 13 ultra frown.gif
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Just use one.
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Above 20hz a Cap 2400 has the same output as a Cap S2! Just something to think about.

The passive version of the Cap 2400 is available for only $1499 from JTR.
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But the S2 would be able to fit in the baffle wall.
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Skip the SVS subs, get dual Cap 2400's passive and run a single 5000 watt amp on them for the same price!

To do this, you will need some DSP to EQ the subs. You will also need a calibrated mic with software to measure the response, so that you know where and how much EQ is needed.

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Is he going to tweak like that? If not then he could just use audyssey and be done. He will need to do that for any sub in a room if need be. The DSP in amps te to get a flat response, boost low end if needed, limiters, and or filters. Once you put a sub in a room that flat response out of the box is bye bye. The sub is ported so the tune takes care of the low end. His ears will be the limits not the sub. All he would need would be HP filters unless he buys two and doesn't run really loud. I would take dual passive Caps with CV-5000 all day than dual PB 13's.

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But the S2 would be able to fit in the baffle wall.

So Cap S2 is smaller and will fit in the baffle wall while SVS Ultra is big? Going to check their dimension now.
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Well the CapS2 will have about the same output as dual PB13's from 15-40hz. I will have double below 15hz and above 40hz.

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Well the CapS2 will have about the same output as dual PB13's from 15-40hz. I will have double below 15hz and above 40hz.

The S2 will not have anywhere close to that response, if he does not use the DSP amp that Jeff has set up for that sub. Just sticking a CV5000 on it is not the same thing. You can have the same thing if you use the CV5000, a device to add DSP, a calibrated mic with software and measure and set up the DSP correctly. Not a plug and play system.

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The S2 will not have anywhere close to that response, if he does not use the DSP amp that Jeff has set up for that sub. Just sticking a CV5000 on it is not the same thing. You can have the same thing if you use the CV5000, a device to add DSP, a calibrated mic with software and measure and set up the DSP correctly. Not a plug and play system.

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How much is this DSP amp? What range? So basically, with this DSP amp Cap S2 won't be fully utilized..right?
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This is not my dual passive caps option, I am referring to the capS2 which is powered.

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Any word on what the OP is going with?
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