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Hi there,

I've already posted in the AVR section for choosing an AVR

Denon AVR-X2000
Denon AVR-X3000

Now, coming to speakers. I'm debating whether I should go for a 5.1 system like

Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000
Polk Audio Blackstone TL2600
Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers

or

Assemble something like
Bowers & Wilkins Mini Theater M1 x 5 speakers + SVS SB12-NSD Sub Woofer

Any suggestion are welcome. I don's want to throw money but generally you get the idea.

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What is your budget? How big is the room and is it open to any other areas? Are you trying to stay with smaller speakers for a reason or can you acoomodate larger ones?

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You're spending a lot of money on a receiver to pair with a set of satellite speakers. Are those the largest speakers you're allowed to have?

an entry level receiver would probably do the trick.

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I agree...an expensive AVR won't make cheap satellite speakers sound better than a cheaper AVR! Either save some money on the AVR and use

You could get a decent entry level receiver maybe about ~$300.00 maybe a Denon AVR 1613 5.1 ~$319.00
http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AVR-1613-Channel-Networking-Receiver/dp/B007R8U5QW/ref=sr_1_2?s=electronics&ie=UTF8&qid=1380064005&sr=1-2&keywords=denon+receiver


and maybe these

Energy - Take Classic 5.1 Home Theater Speaker System with 200W Subwoofer
they are ~$399.00 at BB


http://www.energy-speakers.com/home-theater-systems/?sku=TK-CLASSI-5-1


Or you could get these
supposed to be equivalent to one's above
for ~$239.00

Monoprice Premium 5.1-Ch. Home Theater System with Subwoofer
http://www.monoprice.com/products/product.asp?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090601
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I agree...an expensive AVR won't make cheap satellite speakers sound better than a cheaper AVR! Either save some money on the AVR and use toward better speakers, or just save some money. The speakers are the limiting thing in the system you propose...

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I wouldn't even get an AVR if you can wait, now that HDMI 2.0 is finalized. You can guarantee that HDMI 2.0 AVRs are just months away. I know you can always wait for the next thing in technology, but HDMI 2.0 will be around for a while and it's not like you have to wait long to get it.
DefTech ProCinema 1000 gets awesome reviews on here. Have a look at Ascend Acoustics. Members on this forum recommended them to me and I am glad I listened.
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My room is 25ft l x 10ft b x 15ft h. it's a rectangular sized room. I'm sitting almost 8ft from the tv stand.

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I wouldn't even get an AVR if you can wait, now that HDMI 2.0 is finalized. You can guarantee that HDMI 2.0 AVRs are just months away. I know you can always wait for the next thing in technology, but HDMI 2.0 will be around for a while and it's not like you have to wait long to get it.
DefTech ProCinema 1000 gets awesome reviews on here. Have a look at Ascend Acoustics. Members on this forum recommended them to me and I am glad I listened.

First of all, In a room that size Energy 5.1 should be crossed off the list.


????

The guy mentioned nothing about getting a 4K display, nor is he looking to buy 64 speakers. Which are the only benefits of HDMI 2.0.
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First of all, In a room that size Energy 5.1 should be crossed off the list.


????

The guy mentioned nothing about getting a 4K display, nor is he looking to buy 64 speakers. Which are the only benefits of HDMI 2.0.
I see. I offended you on another thread and this is your passive-aggressive approach to getting your revenge. How do you know what he will buy down the road when most of these products are yet to come out? The nice thing about future proofing is that you CAN upgrade while minimizing the number of components you need to upgrade at the same time. I'm surprised you don't know that. rolleyes.gif
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Yes, but the OP is asking for a 5.1 set-up. And as others suggested, he should just go with a entry level reciever with high efficient speakers. He will save more that way.
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My room is 25ft l x 10ft b x 15ft h. it's a rectangular sized room. I'm sitting almost 8ft from the tv stand.
Try to look at some bigger speakers - like the HTD Level Two set
http://www.htd.com/Products/level-two-speakers

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Yes, but the OP is asking for a 5.1 set-up. And as others suggested, he should just go with a entry level reciever with high efficient speakers. He will save more that way.
Why not just post your opinion without making a big song and dance about someone else's opinion? When HDMI 2.0 receivers hit the market, it will be the entire range, not just the higher-end models.
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For a room that large, I would recommend the OP look into high efficiency, floor-standing speakers (maybe Klipsch?). And if you want to stick with Denon, an X1000 more than good enough. Even one of the E-series would be fine if you you're ok with MultEQ calibration vs. MultEQ XT.
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For a room that large, I would recommend the OP look into high efficiency, floor-standing speakers (maybe Klipsch?). And if you want to stick with Denon, an X1000 more than good enough. Even one of the E-series would be fine if you you're ok with MultEQ calibration vs. MultEQ XT.

I dont even know that MutiEQ even does. So just to be future proof does is make sense to go with X1000 or X2000

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For sure the Klipsch Reference Series speakers will sound much better than HTIB or anything on this page by far .If you could get them reasonably. Klipsch reference speakers are not cheap but they are deservedly well regarded (shipping is probably not inexpensive though) and more importantly do you like the Klipsch sound while very good they can be quite forward ( some minor room treatment should take care of that if needed) IF you can get them and shipping reasonable they are the real deal and good for large spaces!

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I dont even know that MutiEQ even does. So just to be future proof does is make sense to go with X1000 or X2000
MultEQ is a version of Audyssey, a very popular (and powerful) room correction system.

You have given us your room size, but do you have a budget for everything?

That would help a lot.

Also, do you have any size, color or other constraints?

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I'm getting a deal for Denon AVR-X2000 - $649 (Amazon / AED 2999 or Denon AVR-X3000=$899 (Amazon / AED 4499 (Dubai Price) with 3 speaker choices.

Definitive Technology ProCinema 600=$699.95 (Amazon) / AED 2400
Definitive Technology ProCinema 800=$1199 (Amazon) / AED 3500
Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000=$1399.95 (Amazon) / AED 4760

What makes sense.

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First, I own and like Def Tech speakers, so don't take this the wrong way. IMHO, the procinema systems are NOT the best bang for the buck. last year I got two Def Tech SM450 and the CLR 2002 center for under 500 dollars...you could look at the Pioneer, Infinity Primus, Cambridge Audio or Polk Monitors for good buys. In particular, you won't get the best sub from Def Tech either. Second, that is A LOT of money for an AV receiver to run essentially a budget speaker system! Unless there are features of the AV receiver that you really need, you can get a decent budget 5.1 rec for 300 dollars

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Set up #3: JBL130, JBL120C and Klipsch synergy sub
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I'm getting a deal for Denon AVR-X2000 - $649 (Amazon / AED 2999 or Denon AVR-X3000=$899 (Amazon / AED 4499 (Dubai Price) with 3 speaker choices.

Definitive Technology ProCinema 600=$699.95 (Amazon) / AED 2400
Definitive Technology ProCinema 800=$1199 (Amazon) / AED 3500
Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000=$1399.95 (Amazon) / AED 4760

What makes sense.

Keep looking - there are better speaker choices over the Definitive sub/sats for your room

However, your call

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Heard the Def Tech towers with the Dynaudio signature bookshelves side by side and the Dynaudio killed the Def Techs. Only about $400.00 price difference.
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Like afrogt says below , His suggestion on the def tech monitors are pretty good also way better than Pro Cinema .

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You're spending a lot of money on a receiver to pair with a set of satellite speakers. Are those the largest speakers you're allowed to have?

an entry level receiver would probably do the trick.

Expensive receiver won't make the speakers you are considering sound any better
that would include all the def tech pro cinema series speaker system listed here.

You do not need a 7.1 receiver to run 5.1 channels so sometimes you can save money with a 5.1. Those speakers you are looking at won't sound any better on 2999 د.إ; or د.إ; 1285.48 reciever.

Get the cheaper receiver use the savings for better speakers don't forget you will need some cables . No need for expensive ones though Monoprice or Amazon Basics or like that are fine .
maybe have some AED left over for speaker stands,cables a Blue Ray player ?
No need for expensive ones though Monoprice or Amazon Basics or like that are fine .

Cut the receiver budget have some AED left over for better speakers that will be the what you will hear the most benefit from , maybe a Denon AVR-1713 5.1 Channel 3D Pass Through and Networking Home Theater Receiver with AirPlay and Second Zone Audio Line Outputs د.إ; 1285.48 or $349.99 US at Amazon

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After my research I got these speakers.

Bose Acoustimass 10 Series IV Speaker System=$999 (Amazon)
Polk Audio Blackstone TL2600 Speakers=$399 (Amazon)
Energy Take Classic 5.1 Speakers=$399 (Amazon)
Martin Logan - MLT-1 - 5.1 Speaker System=$349 (Amazon)
Boston Acoustics SoundWareXS5.1B 5.1 Speaker System=$499 (Amazon)
Definitive Technology ProCinema 600=$699.95 (Amazon) / AED 2400
Definitive Technology ProCinema 800=$1199 (Amazon) / AED 3500
Definitive Technology ProCinema 1000=$1399.95 (Amazon) / AED 4760
Cambridge Audio Minx S325-V2=$1,449.99 (Amazon)
Cambridge Audio Minx S215-V2=$849 (Amazon)
Bowers & Wilkins Mini Theater MT-50=$1700 (Amazon)

I'm trying to keep my budget max to $1200 for speakers. Any suggestions

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Why fool around with $1200.00 worth of Toy speakers when you can have these for same money to cover your large room
if you are determined to get *too small speakers for your room * don't waste your money on expensive ones just get the energy take 5 or the monoprice and save your money for the bigger speakers you will surley be wanting soon after you buy those !
they will likely sound as good as any of the other small ones except maybe Bose AM10 which are Ok on movies but kind of lame on music
You can pick up decent used Bose AM 10 or older AM 15's 's all day long on Paybay for ~3-$400.00 some even new or almost new in box cheap .
if you get AM10 ditch the 5th cube and get a Bose center speaker

Option 1 
   Polk Audio TSi400
Floor-standing speaker (Cherry)   (pair )    
459.98


  Polk-Audio-TSi200 ( Cherry pair )  
249.99
    ( Bookshelf/surround)                                                 


   Polk Audio PSW125                
 249.99       
  12" Powered subwoofer (Cherry)
                                 

  Polk Audio TSi CS20
Center channel speaker (Cherry)      
149.99
                                 
sub total $ 1109.95  US


Polk Option 2




Polk-Audio-TSi200 ( Cherry 2 pair )  
 500.00
    ( Bookshelf/surround)




 Polk Audio TSi CS20
Center channel speaker (Cherry)       
149.99




Polk Audio PSW125                      
249.99          
  12" Powered subwoofer (Cherry)    




                           
sub total $ 899.98 US
                                 
Polk option 3

Option 3 Add in 2nd Subwoofer
 to option 2 For distrubuted bass
additional  Polk Audio PSW125                    
 249.99  
       
  12" Powered subwoofer (Cherry)  




All above Items above in option 2    
  899.98 




                           sub total
 $ 1149.97  US      


Figure about (No more than 
100.00) for inexpensive cables 
or DIY cables monoprice or home depot
You can probably make up similar 
systems using Infinity primus
or similar speakers .                          

fwiw you can get the Dennon X2000 refurbished with a warranty at Accessories 4 less for $399.99

Keep in mind speakers are all about moving air small speakers by their nature can not move much air no matter what they cost especially in a large space . Small speakers all sound very much alike in a large space in that they all sound even smaller in a large space eek.gif
If you want Small speakers that sound bigger than they are but still not big your best option is to get the Bose AM15

 
OTOH if you can't get full size speakers including shipping and delivery reasnbly in your spot then let us know also that might explain your prefrence for small speakes I understand choices may be limited in UAE
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fwiw, obviously by your research list you have not taken anyones good advice of staying away from the all in one h.t. packages with small satellite speakers

i'm so laid back,i'm laid out
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My room is 25ft l x 10ft b x 15ft h. it's a rectangular sized room. I'm sitting almost 8ft from the tv stand.
is your tv on the 10' wall or the 25'wall

i'm so laid back,i'm laid out
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fwiw, obviously by your research list you have not taken anyones good advice of staying away from the all in one h.t. packages with small satellite speakers


I honestly don't know sometimes why we bother to help *some of the newbies they ask us a question ,we give them good advise and they do what they were going to do anyway!
you know what they say about fools and money.
What it all boils down to down to is we can only help those that want to be helped and leave the rest alone !

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I'm sitting ob the 10ft breath part of the room. So i'm almost 7-8ft from the TV stand.

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I'm planning to go to Dubai on Oct 12th & pick up the speakers from this dealer. http://ced.vvsons.com/products/. They deal only with Audio Speakers like Definitive Technologies, Boston Acoustics, Pure Acoustics, Bose, Triangle. I'm flying from India & its very expensive to pick up the speakers from here. There is a difference of nearly $300-400 on AVR or speakers that all you guys mentioned.

There is a deal going on as well - http://ced.vvsons.com/data/DSS%20Flyer%20Lo-Res.pdf. Could you let me know which set of speakers is worth to go for from the list or let me know a custom 5.1 so that I can check the price/availability/budget for it when I'm in Dubai.

I'm attaching a photo of my room & marking potential speaker spots. I can't have wall brackets but I can buy a stand if it's a bookshelf/satellite.





I appreciate all your comments. Please don't think I've ignored your feedback. It's just that I don't know anything about speakers, type of speakers needed (floor vs bookshelf) or where do even place them. But would like your help on this & hope these images & brands give you an Idea.

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That clarifies things a little you don't really have room for large towers in there with your current arrangement or space . Sorry I was under the impression that your viewing/listening area was much much larger. Best thing to do is listen to the speakers that will fit your lifestyle and living space if you are in a multi unit building or otherwise in close proximity to neighbors obviously you will not be wanting large towers or large subwoofers . Had no idea you had to travel from India to Dubai to acquire gear ,none decent or priced right local ,No Amazon? Yea there is.......... sort of http://www.junglee.com/s/ref=b_lft_nav_2?rh=n:802988031 is India Amazon affiliate it's fairly new have you looked there ?
what is the currency they display rupees perhaps or AED oh I see now it is INR . Well now that might be worth a look aye govenor? (sic) biggrin.gif
OTOH a trip to Dubai might be fun also they have compact gear there as well here is a list of Shisha bars and clubs in Dubai save some money for a night out ! if not they have Hookah bars also:D
wouldn't mind seeing some of the fabulous tall buildings and sky scrapers there oh and the islands they made !
kick back with some babes light up a Hookah and take it all in!

This Pioneer at Amazon/Junglee 23,990 INR looks appropriate to your space I would think anything larger might overwhelm your space both physically and sound wise OFC if you want to BIG they have Polk floorstanders and Book Shelf and center ch speakers here this JBL HTIB might be worth a look 23,990 INR so what is your budget in AED currency? also INR?

After seeing the room photo although some may not agree I think something like the Energy take 5 or the Bose AM10 wold be fine in there with a
maybe mid price Dennon no more than 1101.87 - 1285 AED at the most or similar AVR
You might want to re visit some of the compact integrated HTPC . Thing is you are limited space wise. or maybe a compact 2.1 system like a Bose Cinemate II the Bose products particularly the AM 10 will work well in that space as will the Energy Take 5 long as you are not trying to bump loud bass heavy music they are better for TV movies and mostly like any compact system.

For critical music listening in that space the KEF Q300 Bookshelf Speaker and decent marantz ,or Yamaha compact Stereo amplifier ,maybe a small sub would real good not cheap 34,200 INR (pr) just for two speakers .

Looks like they also have a decent selection of gear at the PDF link you provided. also no need to go BIG on your receiver though lower price one should be fine. also looks like an expensive place to shop by looking at their web site no prices r products there hust mention of brand names looks like an old money high end store might want to compare prices with Amazon junglee although they have mostly reseller links
if you buy a product from amazon junglee that is fulfilled by Amazon jungle meaning delivered from them you have *should have at least 30 day exchange and good 30 day defect return policy.

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fwiw would it be possible to switch the tv and couch. this would give you a little better set up for speaker placement giving you better soundstage. also i see that your flooring is tile, so a large throw rug in front of your tv and speakers will give you better sound eliminating reflecting sound waves.as you can see its frustrating to us as you to recommend anything across the atlantic as we are so spoiled with choices here with great prices and the limited brands and inflated prices over there is sometimes mind boggling. so with that said with your budget and what I see in the sales ad my choice would be the denon avr 1713 with the boston acoustics speaker set ( a250's, a225, a26's and sub) for 3599 aed. just my recommendation

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