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What percentage Music Vs. Cinema?

It's 99% movies and 1% music, i don't hear much music...
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Well based on what you've said, go JBL! Could you use another LS80 as Center?
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No, I just prefer bigger horns for HT for dynamics so wouldn't pick those for HT (you have introduced yet another model BTW; I wonder if an 86 dB sensitivity speaker can be as dynamics as big horns). Not that big horns aren't good for music; I can sip wine while I pinpoint the instruments in front of me like any other audiophile.

I like those big horns also. A friend has Jubilees and they are like being there live. I just can't listen for long periods of time due to ear fatigue and at my age I do not have great hearing in the higher frequencies.
Yes I introduced another model that is similar in comparison. Actually closer than the F208. The OP certainly was not asking if you liked or disliked either. Only which of his choices was preferred. You offered nothing close. Most likely he is not interested in big horns.
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Sorry guys i didn't clarified. So at the momment i have 2 options on the table, and Klipsch is not one of them:

JBL Synthesis:

- LS80 (Front) x 2
- LS Center
- LS60 (Back Surrounds) x 2
- SVS Subs Ultras x2

Revel:

-F208 (Fronts) x2
-C208 (Center)
-F206 (back) x2
-B112 (Sub) x2 or SVS Ultras x2

Prices of JBL are cheaper, and to be honnest i am tempted to go JBL, and the min reason is that is more adequated speaker for cinema, and looks good on the living room.

You have heard the rf-7ii. So my suggestion is go listen to the jbl system and let your ears pic the winner not your eyes. I love looks to but when the lights are off where do you want your money spent? On a beautiful wood cabinet that you don't see with the lights off or the better sounding speaker. Maybe the jbl will sound better to your ears maybe not.

Imo you could do a lot worse than the rf-7ii mdf build and all. smile.gif

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Well based on what you've said, go JBL! Could you use another LS80 as Center?

No, because i don't have space, and i don't like "tower speakers" as center. But i know what you mean smile.gif
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You have heard the rf-7ii. So my suggestion is go listen to the jbl system and let your ears pic the winner not your eyes. I love looks to but when the lights are off where do you want your money spent? On a beautiful wood cabinet that you don't see with the lights off or the better sounding speaker. Maybe the jbl will sound better to your ears maybe not.

Imo you could do a lot worse than the rf-7ii mdf build and all. smile.gif


The RF-7II is a good speaker but, believe me when you compare to synthesis it's average. One thing i've noticed with the RF-7II is that the "mid range" area where you listen to many sounds is very neutral, and the "lows" on JBL are way better. Maybe that happened because they were using a Klipsch 115 sub, and that's not pretty good.
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If you heard both and like the jbl then that's the speaker to your ears. It's the only stat that matters really smile.gif.

Did you listen to them in 2ch or only with the sub?

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Another nod for the Revels. I've heard the big Klipsch speakers and IMO my Revels are much more musical. Haven't heard the new Performa3 line but I understand they sound even better than Performa2's, add the fact that they do it for $2,000 less retail also. If I was in the market I would look no where else biggrin.gif
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Yeah, no offense (too late eek.gif), but these speakers aren't even in the same "class". biggrin.gif

Revel vs. Klipsch? C'mon man. biggrin.gif
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Revel vs. Klipsch? C'mon man. biggrin.gif
You obviously don't know much about Klipsch with a statement like that. I would take a pair of these Klipsch P-39F over the best speaker Revel makes Revel Salon2 any day of the week. The Revel 208 may be nicer than the Klipsch RF-7 but that's where it stops.
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I doubt you would come to that conclusion if you compared them in the absence of bias. (blinded)

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Yeah, no offense (too late eek.gif), but these speakers aren't even in the same "class". biggrin.gif

Revel vs. Klipsch? C'mon man. biggrin.gif

I love comments like this biggrin.gif, Always puts a big smile on my face when I'm having a long day.

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Yeah, no offense (too late eek.gif), but these speakers aren't even in the same "class". biggrin.gif

Revel vs. Klipsch? C'mon man. biggrin.gif

Well said! smile.gif

But at the end JBL rules for me. I know this thread was about choosing from Klipsch and Revel, but my final decision goes JBL, has more "kick" for movies wink.gif But i don't know if i go with the LS80, or choose someting more agressive like Array 1000 or Array 1400 for fronts and the rest of the set.

Revel is awesome, but more musical if you know what i mean...

For a momment tough also at B&W 803D for the Front and HTM2 Center and matching surrounds but...will B&W do the job as JBL? rolleyes.gif
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Wow! The jbl fr is amazing, one o the better speaker ever built.
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I doubt you would come to that conclusion if you compared them in the absence of bias. (blinded)
Comparing speakers in the absence of bias is the only way I compare speakers. It's the reason I have a four way speaker selector that I use with different people controlling it each time so we don't know what speaker is playing. Your reason for thinking the Revel's sound better is?
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Seriously? Nothing against the K brand but in all honesty I think my Revel F52's sound better than them, let alone the Ultima line. The K's had nice bass but the highs scorched my ears. If I thought otherwise I would have bought them, but I do realize people like them so this is IMO smile.gif
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Comparing speakers in the absence of bias is the only way I compare speakers. It's the reason I have a four way speaker selector that I use with different people controlling it each time so we don't know what speaker is playing. Your reason for thinking the Revel's sound better is?

Did you also level-match when doing the comparison?
Isn't the Klipsch P-39F about 8-10dB more sensitive (!!) than the Revel Salon2?

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Comparing speakers in the absence of bias is the only way I compare speakers. It's the reason I have a four way speaker selector that I use with different people controlling it each time so we don't know what speaker is playing. Your reason for thinking the Revel's sound better is?

All available evidence suggests that in blind studies people prefer speakers with smooth, flat on axis frequency response with a smoothly increasing or constant directivity. I don't think anyone would argue that the Salon 2s have the P-39Fs beat by these criteria. In fact, I would wager that the F208s also sound better than the Palladiums.

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I would take a pair of these Klipsch P-39F over the best speaker Revel makes Revel Salon2 any day of the week.

R............... I................ G............... H............... T. biggrin.gif

I am not partial to any one brand.

I give credit where it's due, like the Klipsch KL650-THX, which measures +/-1dB on Audioholics & Home Theater Magazine.

But let's be realistic here. Aside from diehard Klipsch fanboys, nobody in his right mind would take a Klipsch P-39F over a Revel Salon2. biggrin.gif
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All available evidence suggests that in blind studies people prefer speakers with smooth, flat on axis frequency response with a smoothly increasing or constant directivity. I don't think anyone would argue that the Salon 2s have the P-39Fs beat by these criteria. In fact, I would wager that the F208s also sound better than the Palladiums.

All evidence also proves that in blind testing people can't discern a difference in amps. However, many spend unnecessary $ on the expensive amps.

There is little doubt that speakers sound different and are usually chosen by preference of sound rather than measurements. I believe the tests you refer to are performed and promoted by Harmon with hand picked audiences.

Personally I would choose Paladiums over Revels and I am a Revel owner.
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R............... I................ G............... H............... T. biggrin.gif

I am not partial to any one brand.

I give credit where it's due, like the Klipsch KL650-THX, which measures +/-1dB on Audioholics & Home Theater Magazine.

But let's be realistic here. Aside from diehard Klipsch fanboys, nobody in his right mind would take a Klipsch P-39F over a Revel Salon2. biggrin.gif

I own Revels and I would take the Paladiums. IMO the Salon is not the end all of speakers.
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R............... I................ G............... H............... T. biggrin.gif

I am not partial to any one brand.

I give credit where it's due, like the Klipsch KL650-THX, which measures +/-1dB on Audioholics & Home Theater Magazine.

But let's be realistic here. Aside from diehard Klipsch fanboys, nobody in his right mind would take a Klipsch P-39F over a Revel Salon2. biggrin.gif

I own Revels and I would take the Paladiums. IMO the Salon is not the end all of speakers.

OK, so we can call you "can't get right" then? LoL

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To the OP hope you LOVE your new JBL! set-up!!!

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My statements are more tongue-in-cheek, just in case anyone were wondering. wink.gif

This is a hobby so friendly "rivalry" or "debates" are meant to stir up some fun action. biggrin.gif

It really doesn't matter to anyone of us which speakers the OP buys.

Imagine us sitting around a table drinking beer and having it out in a fun way. smile.gif
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My statements are more tongue-in-cheek, just in case anyone were wondering. wink.gif

This is a hobby so friendly "rivalry" or "debates" are meant to stir up some fun action. biggrin.gif

It really doesn't matter to anyone of us which speakers the OP buys.

Imagine us sitting around a table drinking beer and having it out in a fun way. smile.gif



We probably couldn't agree on the brand of beer either biggrin.gif
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I own Revels and I would take the Paladiums. IMO the Salon is not the end all of speakers.

There is no such thing as the "end-all" of speakers.

But overall, the Salon2 gets it right a lot more than the Palladium or most speakers.

Some speakers measure great, but perhaps don't sound as great.

Some speakers may sound pretty good, but perhaps measure rather poorly.

It's true that at the end of the day, the only thing that matters is that you enjoy the speakers.

But Revel Ultima, KEF Reference, TAD Reference, and a few other brands not only measure great, but they also sound great.

Anyway, time to relax for the night and maybe argue some more tomorrow. wink.gif
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We probably couldn't agree on the brand of beer either biggrin.gif

Taste great....... Less feeling. biggrin.gif

Beers are beers, right? eek.gif

I want my beers to measure great AND taste great. wink.gif
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We probably couldn't agree on the brand of beer either biggrin.gif
That's right, I want a glass of wine not a beer! haha
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Taste great....... Less feeling. biggrin.gif

Beers are beers, right? eek.gif

I want my beers to measure great AND taste great. wink.gif



Funny!
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That's right, I want a glass of wine not a beer! haha



See what I mean biggrin.gif
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