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Just recently finished my basement with have a space with projector and wired for 7.1 surround sound. I have purchased my AVR - Yamaha rx-v673 and plan to go with NXG Technology's NX-BAS-500 for my subwoofer and NHT Superzero's for the 5.1 surrounds (I only plan to start with 5.1).

I have not been in the market for speakers in over 25 years and I have not really had a good sound system for the past 10 years. I have a budget of about $500 for L/C/R and I am really confused as to what to purchase. I have been looking at the following floor standing speakers and just can't decide, plus I may be missing something that is spectacular just because I have not shopped for speakers in so long.

Pioneer Andrew Jones FS52's

Infinity Primus P363

HTD Level Two Towers


Of course the center channel speaker would come from whichever brand I finally purchased. The Pioneers are a heck of a deal, but they are not the most attractive speakers out there. I had also thought of the BIC DV84's, but I have not seen many good reviews or received any good feedback on them.

Seeking advise and other opinions on these options or any other options that may be out there.


Thanks in advance.
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I have SuperZero 2.0's as surrounds and the Andrew Jones Pioneer bookshelf in the garage (fantastic garage speakers!). I find the bass output of the Pioneer amazing. I think the overall dynamics of the speaker are better than the NHT's as well. However I find the NHT's smoother (whatever that means) with a more refined mid-range. They also look much nicer than the Pioneers. If it was up to me I would choose the Pioneers. I have not heard the Infinity or HTD speakers so I can't help there.
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I have not purchased the NHT Superzero's yet - Are you saying don't buy them? My other choice was the Definitive Tech Promonitor 800's.
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The problem with the NHT Superzero is that they don't perform at the recommend THX crossover 80hz settings. You will have to set then at a higher crossover with the sub and this will result in a very localized sub.

You are misinterpreting the OP's post. He wants to use the SZs for the surround channels. No need for major bass or an 80hz crossover.

As for localization I just increased the crossover on my SZs (5 of them) to 120hz and it sounds even better than when I had them at 100hz. And no sub localization issues in my setup either.

For the OP the Infinities should play the loudest and is the only setup that has a 3 way center which can be a benefit. And by most accounts they sound pretty good for the price.

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A vote of confidence in your choices. All of the speakers you are looking at excel at sounding good for a low price. You really can't go wrong with any of the listed speakers.

For reference I have 3x Super Zeros for my surround speakers. I think they do a great job! I like the sound of the Pioneer's a little better but the NHT's are just too sexy with that shiny black finish. Everything is a trade off.
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Just grabbed 2 of the Superzero 2.0's for the surrounds.  Now just need to finalize the L/C/R - Still totally confused.  

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Kini62 if you are setting the zs to 120hz and sub to 80hz you are creating a gap in frequency's.

I agree with this post from BeeMan458.

Why would I set my sub to 80hz? The LPF or HPF whichever it is, is bypassed and I'm pretty sure my PC12+ performs flat to 200hz or more, so I have no gap in frequency. wink.gif

The reason I bumped up the crossover was I felt that the sub has much more output at 120hz than my SZs do. I've listened to a little music and one movie so far (and TV of course) and I get a much better mid-range punch at this crossover. If I don't get bigger speakers I might up it to 150hz just to see how it sounds. eek.gif

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Kini62 I apologize for the confusion tongue.gif

I thought he was buying a sz 5.1 setup including sz for the front also I thought you was setting the speakers to 120hz not including the sub.

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Just recently finished my basement with have a space with projector and wired for 7.1 surround sound. I have purchased my AVR - Yamaha rx-v673 and plan to go with NXG Technology's NX-BAS-500 for my subwoofer and NHT Superzero's for the 5.1 surrounds (I only plan to start with 5.1).

I have not been in the market for speakers in over 25 years and I have not really had a good sound system for the past 10 years. I have a budget of about $500 for L/C/R and I am really confused as to what to purchase. I have been looking at the following floor standing speakers and just can't decide, plus I may be missing something that is spectacular just because I have not shopped for speakers in so long.

Pioneer Andrew Jones FS52's

Infinity Primus P363

HTD Level Two Towers


Of course the center channel speaker would come from whichever brand I finally purchased. The Pioneers are a heck of a deal, but they are not the most attractive speakers out there. I had also thought of the BIC DV84's, but I have not seen many good reviews or received any good feedback on them.

Seeking advise and other opinions on these options or any other options that may be out there.


Thanks in advance.

There is a lot of buzz for both the Pioneer and the Primus systems here, and from what I see, the HTD speakers also are competent.

If you have a larger room, the sensitivity of the speakers might be important. From what I can gather, the HTD's are the most sensitive, followed by the Primus and then the Pioneers.

You mentioned the looks for the Pioneers were a turnoff, so my guess is that you would probably find the HTD speakers to be the best looking.

All seem to be good choices. I did notice that there is B-Stock of the HTD speakers for $339 a pair, so that may come into play.

BTW, how large is your room and what are your listening preferences?

Thanks and remember, any of these are good choices. Buying any of these will be rewarding.
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All things being what they are, they're all similar. I had used the Primus set for about 5 years before they had been replaced this year. If you get them for around $100 they are the best of the best. They're mildly attractive and of reasonable quality, I bet they'd be loud enough if you needed them to be and have decent enough sound quality to suffice in all situations. I've never seen the others; however, the Primus are quite large. I replaced mine with Monitor Audio RS-6's and they're significantly larger than the MA's.

I am personally most attracted to the Level 2 speakers and think you'd do very well with a pair of these.

If it came down to it, all of these will perform on a similar level. I'd get the most inexpensive and most appealing to you.
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As Kini62 said, a three-way center is usually better then a two-way but also more expensive. A good center is very important.

Set the crossover to whatever sounds best to you. try different settings and see what works best for you. Then do it all over again in 2-3 months to verify your choice.

Don't discount the used market for speakers. I sold a pair of Beta 40's, 20's and a C250 (all good as new) last year for $475. About what they were worth. Replaced them with a set of scratch-and-dent Lsi25's, 7's and an LSiC for $1030. Yummy.
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NXG Technology's NX-BAS-500 and NHT Superzeros are not a good match.

SuperZeros typically need to be crossed over at 120hz. The NXG sub starts rolling off a lot at 80hz.

The Andrew Jones Pioneer bookshelves would be a MUCH better choice smile.gif

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Then what would be a good sub to match up with the Superzeros as I have already purchased them.
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SVS PB1000 would be better than the NXG in this situation.
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SVS PB1000 would be3 better than the NXG in this situation.

Definitely. MUCH better smile.gif

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My sub budget is $350 and that is a $499 sub. The Superzeros are for surrounds not L/C/R speakers. What sub's do you recommend below $350?
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My sub budget is $350 and that is a $499 sub. The Superzeros are for surrounds not L/C/R speakers. What sub's do you recommend below $350?

What size is your HT room in your basement, including any attached open areas?

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Don't worry about the sub "matching" up to your surrounds. As for $350 subs the PA150 has huge output past 35hz or so plus extends further up than the NXG.

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My room is 15' x 24' x 8'.

 

The Superzeros will be surrounds, not main speakers.

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Also thought about going with the BIC PL-200, but then saw a really nice review on the NXG BAS-500 by Jim Wilson.

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What would be everyone's thoughts if I just went with the Pioneer FS-52's and CP22 Center and then took the money saved versus buying the Infinity's or HTD Level Two's and invested it into an SVS PB-1000?

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What would be everyone's thoughts if I just went with the Pioneer FS-52's and CP22 Center and then took the money saved versus buying the Infinity's or HTD Level Two's and invested it into an SVS PB-1000?

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I personally wouldnt go 3.1, I'd just go 2.1 and invest the money saved over from the center channel and put it into a 12 inch sub or a Rythmic.
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What would be everyone's thoughts if I just went with the Pioneer FS-52's and CP22 Center and then took the money saved versus buying the Infinity's or HTD Level Two's and invested it into an SVS PB-1000?

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What about the Outlaw LFM-1 EX? Or the BIC PL-200 or the PA-150?
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Dude,. Outlaw will kill the other two.
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Keeping below 500 and trying to feel a 3000 cubic foot space - PA-150, BIC PL-200, SVS PBS-1000 or NXG NX-500-BAS? Main listening is sports and movies.
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To fill a room that size you will need to increase your budget pretty much. There is no point in getting the subwoofers you listed because its gonna bottom out and not even be worth buying initially. Save up and get a bigger sub like the VTF-15H from Hsu or the SVS or the Outlaw.
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SVS PB1000 would be better than the NXG in this situation.

I think the nxg much butter.:)EoRNcT

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Keeping below 500 and trying to feel a 3000 cubic foot space - PA-150, BIC PL-200, SVS PBS-1000 or NXG NX-500-BAS? Main listening is sports and movies.

PA-150 will by far have the most output of those subs from 40hz on up (and maybe 30hz). PB-1000 will have better low end extension than the PA-150, but not the max output from 40hz on up. They are the best two out of the group.

The Outlaw EX you previously mentioned is far better than all of them, with the output of the PA-150 from 40hz on up, but also continuing that SPL output down into the low 20hz range. It has better low frequency extension than the PB-1000. If you can afford the EX, you should go for it. It's an impressive sub biggrin.gif

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