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post #31 of 48 Old 10-13-2013, 04:31 AM
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my buddy has a classè setup that is amazing. he told me to find a used ssp-600 or something like that. says it sounds great but is just missing hdmi switching.

Bad idea. Think of it as audio jewelry. The Denon that was recommended above will sound exactly the same and provide better functionality.
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If you post a flexible budget here you will get $20,000 suggestions. You need to set some kind of realistic cap.

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um.. figure 5-6k budget.

... and as soon as you set it, we'll bump right up against it! biggrin.gif

Firstly, I suggest you flick the idea of the second-hand Classé. There is much better value in current AVR's with modern A/V processing and solid room EQ routines. Today, the quality of the room EQ routine is the single biggest influence on the sound quality of the processor/AVR, and the best of these routines currently available in a consumer AVR is widely regarded to be Audyssey MultEQ XT32 (with Sub EQ HT).

The cheapest XT32 enabled AVR is currently the Denon AVR-X4000, which can be found for around $1200 (Crutchfield open box; or call AVS Sales own jdsmoothie and twist his arm for their best new price). This equates to 20% of a $6K spend, which is towards the limit of what's regarded as reasonable budget split.

My recommendation for a great high performance front end plus subs that fits your budget is one from Ascend Acoustics/Rythmik Audio. I believe these speakers offer performance at least on a par with the Paradigms you mentioned at a very reasonable price.

So, in summary:
Main L & R: Ascend Sierra Tower pair ... $1900
Centre: Ascend Sierra Horizon ............. $1000
Subs: Dual Rythmik Audio F15 ............. $1950
Less: Discounts on above ................... $220
AVR: Denon AVR-X4000 ..................... $1170
TOTAL (ex. shipping) ........................... $5800

If you can figure out a way to accommodate surround speakers in your room, that would be highly desirable. In that case suitable surrounds are Ascend CBM-170 SE's (ported; away from walls) or HTM-200 SE's (sealed; near or on-wall).
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If its a 6k budget I highly recommend this.


Pair of Selah Verita for $2,500 delivered.


You will get this kind of sound but better because this video is not using a RAAL tweeter but a Job 225 type amp.

This video is with Selah Verita but with Emotiva amps. (Job is 20x better in performance lesser price). Check out how the Verita and the RAAL tweeter and how clear it is. You can hear the breathing of the singer loud and clear.


I know the Youtube Videos does not do them justice, but hompefully you can hear that the sound is very clear, real, and good soundstage.


You will never get this quality of sound from those klipsch's + HK LOL.

Are you for real? You want him to judge the clarity of a tweeter and the soundstage of loudspeakers from youtube videos played back on his computer speakers? And you finish your post with an LOL?

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Since Amps dont make a difference to sound, I suppose DAC's dont make a differece to sound, and Oppo is ripping everyone off from 103 to 105 adding $600.00 just for the Sabre DAC on analog audio which the 103 dont have..

And no its not really a placebo effect either. nobody in their right mind would spend $2,000 - $5,000 on a Amp over a $400 AVR which has the convienience if they dont hear a sonic difference. They would just sell their old speakers and just spend the money on new speakers.


???
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^ This is a crude attempt to highjack the thread. ^

NAIM101: STOP IT!

If you want to have this debate, have some respect for the OP and start your own thread.
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Since Amps dont make a difference to sound, I suppose DAC's dont make a differece to sound, and Oppo is ripping everyone off from 103 to 105 adding $600.00 just for the Sabre DAC on analog audio which the 103 dont have..

And no its not really a placebo effect either. nobody in their right mind would spend $2,000 - $5,000 on a Amp over a $400 AVR which has the convienience if they dont hear a sonic difference. They would just sell their old speakers and just spend the money on new speakers.


???

You finally got something right.
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MUDACAT45, I gotta disagree with you there, I think there is a HUGE difference in amp quality depending on price. I am personally using Denon's older avr 5600 flagship $4000 receiver and it BLOWS AWAY my newer Onkyo tx-sr705, which weighs only 29lbs compared to the Denon that weighs 54lbs. The weight difference translates to a HUGE difference in sound.

I am using all Klipsch Reference RF-3II set-up.

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MUDACAT45, I gotta disagree with you there, I think there is a HUGE difference in amp quality depending on price. I am personally using Denon's older avr 5600 flagship $4000 receiver and it BLOWS AWAY my newer Onkyo tx-sr705, which weighs only 29lbs compared to the Denon that weighs 54lbs. The weight difference translates to a HUGE difference in sound.

I am using all Klipsch Reference RF-3II set-up.

How are you defining quality? Do you mean longevity/durability or quality of sound?
You are not only hearing different amps but different processors when comparing your AVR's. How do you know which is responsible for the difference in sound?
Comparing the amp in a $400 AVR to a $5000 amp may not be in order. However, IMO, there will be more change with different speakers than with an amp.
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nobody in their right mind would spend $2,000 - $5,000 on a Amp over a $400 AVR which has the convienience if they dont hear a sonic difference.

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I am personally using Denon's older avr 5600 flagship $4000 receiver and it BLOWS AWAY my newer Onkyo tx-sr705,

The OP has a 5-6 K$ budget, so please don't derail it with talk of $2,000 - $5,000 amplifiers or $4000 receivers. There are plenty of other threads for that.

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Onkyo TX-818 is the cheapest XT32 receiver out there. I think the only problem with their implementation is that they dont EQ the subwoofer or the 2nd subwoofer (Not sure which one is correct).
Also, their quality is questionable (HDMI board frying itself issues reported).

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B007JOO4XE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381769376&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+818
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Onkyo TX-818 is the cheapest XT32 receiver out there. I think the only problem with their implementation is that they dont EQ the subwoofer or the 2nd subwoofer (Not sure which one is correct).
Also, their quality is questionable (HDMI board frying itself issues reported).

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B007JOO4XE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381769376&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+818

All versions of Audyssey MultEQ will EQ a subwoofer. As far as I know, SubEQ HT is part of XT32 and yes will EQ two subwoofers.

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As far as I know, SubEQ HT is part of XT32 and yes will EQ two subwoofers.

It is not and 818 doesn't set independent distances for dual subs.
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^^^correct

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Their website is incorrect then;

http://www.audyssey.com/news/audyssey-multiple-subwoofer-eq-technology-now-avrs
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Audyssey Sub EQ HT is currently in every AVR that uses MultEQ XT32. These models can be found on our website www.audyssey.com.

More reason to get the Denon AVR-X4000.

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Onkyo TX-818 is the cheapest XT32 receiver out there. I think the only problem with their implementation is that they dont EQ the subwoofer or the 2nd subwoofer (Not sure which one is correct).
Also, their quality is questionable (HDMI board frying itself issues reported).

http://www.amazon.com/Onkyo-TX-NR818-7-2-Channel-Network-Receiver/dp/B007JOO4XE/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1381769376&sr=8-1&keywords=onkyo+818

Yes, you are correct; the Onkyo 818 is currently the cheapest XT32 enabled AVR. What I should have said is that the Denon X4000 is currently the cheapest XT32 enabled AVR with full implementation of Sub EQ HT that properly sets up and EQ's two independent subs.

I am also reluctant to recommend the Onkyo 818 because of lingering doubts over HDMI board reliability that you mention.

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Their website is incorrect then;

http://www.audyssey.com/news/audyssey-multiple-subwoofer-eq-technology-now-avrs
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Audyssey Sub EQ HT is currently in every AVR that uses MultEQ XT32. These models can be found on our website www.audyssey.com.

More reason to get the Denon AVR-X4000.

The key word is "currently". At August 2010, that statement was probably correct as the Onkyo 818 was yet to be released. The AVR Audyssey MultEQ FAQ explains the distinction with the Onkyo 818.
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If your 2.0 is good you won't even want 5.1???? What does that even mean?

5.1 is the whole point of ht. take away all those channels and your left with a 2ch set up. Nothing wrong with 2ch but it can't touch a good multi channel set up for movies. Saying surrounds don't do that much is really bad advise.

He's not here to give good advice. He's here to troll and draw attention to himself. He's been doing it on all the forums. Best ignore him and he'll eventually moves elsewhere.
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I would agree 800 would be better spent on other things for sure. Keep in mind the rc-64ii will cost around $900 (paid around 700 for mine) and the rc-62ii will be around $400 give or take $50. I realize retail is 850 more but street price is much less. biggrin.gif

I was responding to your post that its only a little better which is not true imo.

Reference Head, do you mind me asking where you found the rc-64ii for that cheap? I'm looking to buy one, but $1100 is the cheapest I've seen them at.
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Acoustic sound design sells most of the reference line 30% off retail. You have to call them for prices and talk to mike. When I got mine retail was 1200 then they changed it to 1400 a few months later. My friend worked at ultimate and he always got me stuff around 55-60%. Also call here at Avs for a price quote and see who is cheaper.

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