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Hi ,
I have RF-82 mk2 connected to Pioneer SC-37 and I'm afraid that I don't have enough power when I Listen to music in pure direct mode.
The bass is very weak like a small speaker. In movies the subwoofer help them and its
Difficult to hear who speaker give the bass.

Any suggestions ?
Thanks
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Your receiver should have plenty of power to make those things rock. Have you ran mcacc with them? It might have set the levels for them super low

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Hi ,
I have RF-82 mk2 connected to Pioneer SC-37 and I'm afraid that I don't have enough power when I Listen to music in pure direct mode.
The bass is very weak like a small speaker. In movies the subwoofer help them and its
Difficult to hear who speaker give the bass.

Any suggestions ?
Thanks

pure direct mode wont have any eq. I would run in direct mode (not pure) and eq the bass up to what you like.

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Hi ,
I have RF-82 mk2 connected to Pioneer SC-37 and I'm afraid that I don't have enough power when I Listen to music in pure direct mode.
The bass is very weak like a small speaker. In movies the subwoofer help them and its
Difficult to hear who speaker give the bass.

Any suggestions ?
Thanks

Check in your speaker setup, the fronts should be set to "large" if you are not using a sub.

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Thanks for the replay guys.
My front are set to large , center to small and rears small also.
My setup -
RF 82 fronts
Rc-62 center
Monitor audio dipole rears
Paradigm pw- 2200 subwoofer

My sub cross to 80hz.
As you suggested , I try to hear in direct mode ( not pure ) with equalizer on and it's not
Enough like I think it should be...
Very disappointing mad.gif
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Check the polarity of your wires, red to red and black to black.

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Having the same problem with my RF82s and Pio VSX-1120k. My speakers don't seem to be hitting 80Hz, even when set to Large. If anything, these towers sound more like satellites, with a frequency gap between them and the sub. And speaking of the sub (SVS PB12-NSD), it seems to be getting a very weak signal--I really have to crank the gain to hear it. MCAAC just makes things sound even worse. I don't know if it's the room, the AVR lacking power to drive larger speakers, or the AVR just being faulty. Really, the system kind of sounds like a Logitech 5.1 PC speaker at this point. eek.gif

Going to test it with a friend's Marantz, which has a 650w max power draw (vs 400w for my Pioneer)
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Thanks for the replay guys.
My front are set to large , center to small and rears small also.
My setup -
RF 82 fronts
Rc-62 center
Monitor audio dipole rears
Paradigm pw- 2200 subwoofer

My sub cross to 80hz.
As you suggested , I try to hear in direct mode ( not pure ) with equalizer on and it's not
Enough like I think it should be...
Very disappointing mad.gif

How big is your room? Are you setting large and using a sub? If so, there might be a phase issues with the sub and the fronts. If you are using a sub, try setting your fronts to small, and play with you distance settings for the sub. Also, check speaker polarities and make sure your sub is connected to sub out.
Another suggestions is to walk around the room to see if there would be another spot where the bass is strong. If so, then your current spot might have a room mode with a null.
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I am having the same issue with my RF-82II. If I am running direct on my Marantz SR7007 listening to music the bass is less than impressive out of these RF-82II. Ive seen videos of the drivers bouncing on the 82's with about the same setup that I have. What should I do?

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How far you guys have these off the walls?
I am feeding pretty low power to mine and they sound very full when in full range mode. Mine do not flop around like they show in the videos you probably seen but they do kick some ass in two channel

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How far you guys have these off the walls?
I am feeding pretty low power to mine and they sound very full when in full range mode. Mine do not flop around like they show in the videos you probably seen but they do kick some ass in two channel
I have to turn my volume up so high in order to get decent bass out of them. I have them about 8-10" off the wall. Do you have your fronts set to large? When I change my sound from direct to my 5 channel and it activates the center channel speaker, It sounds like my Rc-62II center channel hits harder than my RF-82's. Not sure whats up

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Yes I set mine to full range when in two channel. I do not use direct or pure though. Do you have them toed or straight on?
Have you had other towers in place before that performed better?

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Yes I set mine to full range when in two channel. I do not use direct or pure though. Do you have them toed or straight on?
Have you had other towers in place before that performed better?

I have them toed in slightly, I had a pair of Klipsch VF-36 in their place before, I can't remember what they sounded like. I don't normally listen to music on that system. It is mainly for Movies and some gaming. I guess I was just less than impressed when I decided to play some music through the system. Do you keep the "gold" terminal connectors that go from positive terminals and also negative terminals in the back of the RF-82's? Would that make any difference.

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I dunno....I don't like using my RF-7s alone for 2 channel music and when I engage the subs on this material it sounds awesome. On the Denon AVRs there is a way to set the Bass Mgmt in 2 Channel mode to "LFE + Mains" and in direct mode I can still use the sub on this source while leaving the Multichannel Configuration set to only LFE in BM.
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Do you keep the "gold" terminal connectors that go from positive terminals and also negative terminals in the back of the RF-82's? Would that make any difference

YES you MUST keep the gold binding straps connected UNLESS you bi amp or bi wire. If you disconnect them and only hook up to the top set you are only feeding the horn tweeter with power.

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I dunno....I don't like using my RF-7s alone for 2 channel music and when I engage the subs on this material it sounds awesome. On the Denon AVRs there is a way to set the Bass Mgmt in 2 Channel mode to "LFE + Mains" and in direct mode I can still use the sub on this source while leaving the Multichannel Configuration set to only LFE in BM.
I can make the same changes on my Marantz AVR but I guess I am just expecting more out of the floorstanders. I wish I could hear another set up with the same speakers and different AVR to see if its settings on the AVR or something else. I guess I'm just thinking for the size of the speakers, I should be getting more full range sound, the mids and the highs sound pretty good.

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YES you MUST keep the gold binding straps connected UNLESS you bi amp or bi wire. If you disconnect them and only hook up to the top set you are only feeding the horn tweeter with power.
I have them bi-wired

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I have them bi-wired

I would put the connectors back on and run one set of wires...It may not alleviate what you are experiencing but imo, Klipsch puts dual binding posts in the back of their Reference Speakers because their investors have a stake in Copper. wink.gif Good Luck.
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^^^+1

AFAIK bi-wiring does absolutely nothing except uses more wire. There is even debate on if bi-amping does anything cuz the tweeter draws very little power so it doesn't take much power from the woofers when wired standard.

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My 62s have pretty impressive bass run full range. They are in a smallish room though. 1650^3

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My 62s have pretty impressive bass run full range. They are in a smallish room though. 1650^3

No doubt...It all depends what you are comparing it to. Paired with a capable sub I still think they should be run as Small, with a crossover set to get full benefit from a SQ point of view.
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If you don't keep those in, you are not running all your drivers.
You would only take those out if biamping. And even if so is a negligible task to even do.
I think one post is for the horns and other is for drivers but nonetheless if not hooked up out the jumpers back in and rerun audessy

Again the 82's should sound pretty full without a sub. I prefer without a sub for music. I think the sub over does it. And I am a bass head.
I guess just don't expect floor shaking bass from the towers. I played some dub step one day to test the bass from mine and I thought they were more than impressive from a smaller tower.

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My 62s have pretty impressive bass run full range. They are in a smallish room though. 1650^3
This is what I'm talking about, I also have seen some 62's that are impressive. My room is only about 1700 sq/ft but does have 2 openings to hallways. I'm gonna go home and mess around with it some, I need somebody here that knows their **** and can go through the settings on my AVR. Confused!!!

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If you don't keep those in, you are not running all your drivers.
You would only take those out if biamping. And even if so is a negligible task to even do.
I think one post is for the horns and other is for drivers but nonetheless if not hooked up out the jumpers back in and rerun audessy

Again the 82's should sound pretty full without a sub. I prefer without a sub for music. I think the sub over does it. And I am a bass head.
I guess just don't expect floor shaking bass from the towers. I played some dub step one day to test the bass from mine and I thought they were more than impressive from a smaller tower.

I would rather not have the sub playing when listening to music also. I would think that with the quality sound out of the Marantz I would have no trouble getting big full spectrum sound out of the big floor standers. I'm not expecting flor shaking bass just really nice full sound. Can anybody think of any settings on my AVR that might be key to look at in this case?

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If you want 'full spectrum sound' then you either need a capable sub(s) or MUCH more expensive towers

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I hope you meant 1700cubic feet and not square feet. Lol
Square feet is going to be a lot to fill with two towers and expecting to feel any bass output.

Anyway, maybe something weird in the receiver? Can you reset it?

All my setup is to get full range is set to stereo for 2 channel listening and I set 2 channel to play my towers on large and full range frequencies.
No frills here. Simple settings.
Again I would put the jumpers back in and screw the bi wire. You are drawing more power away from the woofers by using two more channels for tweeters. Power goes down per channel when driving more channels.
Avrs rate wattage by 2 channel and then much less when all channels are driven. So that might be a major denominator in the equation.

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