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I'm interested in upgrading my PC sound. I'm going to be using a T-Amp, which is only 2 channels so I need two speakers that don't require a sub.

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- Don't require a sub
- Cost less than 75$ per speaker
- <6" depth (flexible)

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That't pretty tiny. Have you considered Audioengine? No amp needed and pretty good sound.

Sounds good!
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That't pretty tiny. Have you considered Audioengine? No amp needed and pretty good sound.

So, it's like an AOI solution? That's really neat. But at 200$.. it's a bit steep.

Are they really worth twice what I paid for my Monitor 30's?

Also, it doesn't HAVE to be <6". If there's a better/cheaper option that's <8", that would be fine too.
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Tiny speakers, no sub, and dirt cheap are not going to happen. Tiny speakers will require a sub, no matter how much you pay for them.

If you want a good speaker at a really good price, you can check out something like the BIC DV62si (I haven't heard them, but they get great reviews). If you can swing closer to $150 each, you may want to look in to something like the HSU HB-1 MK2.

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8" deep?

Pioneer SPBS22's then. Often on sale.
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On sale right now actually, bestbuy.com and amazon
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Pioneer's are big but great in this price range.

Here is my recommendation: Cambridge Audio S30

More than you want to spend, but the closest you'll get to meeting your requirements realistically.
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Tiny speakers, no sub, and dirt cheap are not going to happen. .

Tiny speakers (<8" depth), no sub (meaning they can go under 70hz), and 75$ each is that hard..?

The AudioEngine A2's are <6", 65hz and 200$.

There have got to be more examples..
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8" deep?

Pioneer SPBS22's then. Often on sale.

You mean this:

http://www.amazon.com/Pioneer-SP-BS22-LR-Designed-Bookshelf-Loudspeakers/dp/B008NCD2LG

I can't make out if that's 90$ for a PAIR or a single speaker. If it's for a single speaker, then it's about the same as the AudioEngine A2's.. so which is better?

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Pioneer's are big but great in this price range.

Here is my recommendation: Cambridge Audio S30

More than you want to spend, but the closest you'll get to meeting your requirements realistically.

No, that's pretty good actually. I mean, they're cheaper than the AudioEngine A2's, right?

But do they power themselves, like the A2's, or will I need to get a t-amp? It says they're rated at 100w.. I don't think a t-amp can go that high..
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It's for a pair of pios
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You've got to power them separately, the t-amp will power them, but not to their potential. You can get a more expensive one or an Emotiva/Sherbourn inexpensive amp and that would work much better.
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For nearfield listening, a t-amp will provide plenty of power. You don't want low sensitivity (<86dB) speakers, and something that is 8ohm will put less strain on the amp. As has been mentioned, you won't get compact and decent bass, physics says no. Those Cambridge S30s would work well, you will need an amp for them, but they will get louder than you care to listen. The bass on them is actually decent for their size, so that may be a good option.

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For nearfield listening, a t-amp will provide plenty of power. You don't want low sensitivity (<86dB) speakers, and something that is 8ohm will put less strain on the amp. As has been mentioned, you won't get compact and decent bass, physics says no. Those Cambridge S30s would work well, you will need an amp for them, but they will get louder than you care to listen. The bass on them is actually decent for their size, so that may be a good option.

So, AudioEngine A2's - 200$
Pioneer SP-BS22's - 90$
Cambridge S30's - 170$

Anything else?
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Tiny speakers, no sub, and dirt cheap are not going to happen. Tiny speakers will require a sub, no matter how much you pay for them.
Oh come on. They'll still be way better than any PC speakers, even if they're a little lacking in the low end.

A couple good, cheap options here - go for the BS41 at $90 a pair and 7.9" x 13.8" x 8.7" if you can fit the larger size.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774/pioneers-speaker-genius-hits-low-price-point/4620#post_23848915

Those are the previous models of those Pioneer speakers, hence the deeper discount. BS41 got very positive reviews. Unbeatable for value.
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That would be $59 for a pair of BS41
Typo in that post, those are the 21s at $60 a pair
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Typo in that post, those are the 21s

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BTW, if space is an issue, get out a ruler or a tape measure and mock up the speaker size. Find something about that size. Speaking from experience - just reading the dimensions won't give a good idea of what works.
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Oh come on. They'll still be way better than any PC speakers, even if they're a little lacking in the low end.

A couple good, cheap options here - go for the BS41 at $90 a pair and 7.9" x 13.8" x 8.7" if you can fit the larger size.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1278774/pioneers-speaker-genius-hits-low-price-point/4620#post_23848915

Those are the previous models of those Pioneer speakers, hence the deeper discount. BS41 got very positive reviews. Unbeatable for value.

Would you say that these 90$ speakers are better than my Monitor 30's?

I don't want to sound shallow, but I just love the square shape of my 30's and of the AudioEngine A2's. The aesthetic on the BS41's is a bit dated.
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If those 22 Pioneers are still on sale, they'll be good for any future upgrades.

I'm sure those Camb S30's would be fine too but they're over 9" deep.

You won't go wrong with any of them - including the A2's.

But with the T-amp don't expect to them to be super loud - but I don't think you were expecting that.

Just chose any of these recommendations and go for it. You won't be disappointed with any of them.
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Well, the Audioengine A2s have a bass boost built into the amp. So the "bass" that you get from them is mostly upper mid bass and above. The S30s or the Pioneers will provide far better bass response.

However, there is a much better solution for you if you want lots of bass for under $200 and have room for a sub. Have you read this CNET article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57439115-47/build-your-own-desktop-stereo-for-under-$70/

The Daytons might be a little big. If so, the Micca MB42 have gotten good testimonials for speakers in the same price range.

Then get a Dayton SUB1000 or Polk PSW10 subwoofer. Both of those subs have speaker level inputs AND outputs. So you run the speaker outs from the Lepai to the sub, and then hook the speakers to the line outs on the sub.
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Well, the Audioengine A2s have a bass boost built into the amp. So the "bass" that you get from them is mostly upper mid bass and above. The S30s or the Pioneers will provide far better bass response.

However, there is a much better solution for you if you want lots of bass for under $200 and have room for a sub. Have you read this CNET article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57439115-47/build-your-own-desktop-stereo-for-under-$70/

The Daytons might be a little big. If so, the Micca MB42 have gotten good testimonials for speakers in the same price range.

Then get a Dayton SUB1000 or Polk PSW10 subwoofer. Both of those subs have speaker level inputs AND outputs. So you run the speaker outs from the Lepai to the sub, and then hook the speakers to the line outs on the sub.

This is great advice. The new Micca MB42x has an updated crossover which supposedly improves them quite a bit. Paired with that Dayton and a Lepai t-amp, and you have something much better that you can upgrade in the future.

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The Daytons might be a little big. If so, the Micca MB42 have gotten good testimonials for speakers in the same price range.

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Man, those are so cheap I might order a pair today or tomorrow.
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Man, those are so cheap I might order a pair today or tomorrow.

http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E7H8GG2?m=AFKH6OU9WWNFS&tag=mygapa-20

I would wait and get these instead, its the new version with a crossover, they should be back in stock this month.

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+1, if you get the mica wait for the new version. Still be close to the pios though. Half of all this is really just splitting hairs though
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I can wait - I already have enough speakers...
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Well, the Audioengine A2s have a bass boost built into the amp. So the "bass" that you get from them is mostly upper mid bass and above. The S30s or the Pioneers will provide far better bass response.

However, there is a much better solution for you if you want lots of bass for under $200 and have room for a sub. Have you read this CNET article? http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-57439115-47/build-your-own-desktop-stereo-for-under-$70/

The Daytons might be a little big. If so, the Micca MB42 have gotten good testimonials for speakers in the same price range.

Then get a Dayton SUB1000 or Polk PSW10 subwoofer. Both of those subs have speaker level inputs AND outputs. So you run the speaker outs from the Lepai to the sub, and then hook the speakers to the line outs on the sub.

Actually, I don't care for bass that much. It's just that I was told that satellite speakers wouldn't have any bass and would thus require a sub. Since I would prefer not to have a sub, I am going for bookshelfs because they don't necessarily require one.

I keep getting good tips on speakers.. how do I know there aren't any more options?

AudioEngine A2's - 200$
Pioneer SP-BS22's - 90$
Cambridge S30's - 170$
Micca MB42 - 60$

Damn, are those Micca's really as good as the rest? For 60$ it seems like a no-brainer..
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Would you say that these 90$ speakers are better than my Monitor 30's?

I don't want to sound shallow, but I just love the square shape of my 30's and of the AudioEngine A2's. The aesthetic on the BS41's is a bit dated.
I'm just responding to the request you posted. If you already have a decent set of speakers, you'd usually want to target something that's going to be a meaningful upgrade to make it worth the effort.

If you don't care about bass, the other option is the NHT SuperZero 2.1.
http://www.nhthifi.com/Bookshelf-speaker-SuperZero-2-1?sc=12&category=5060
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The Micca's can't be as good because they lack a crossover.  That's why the suggestion is to wait on the new Micca to populate stock.  Or if you get the current Micca, then order the $25 xover kit from them also and install it yourself.  (I've been looking at them as a possible contender for my computer speaker project I'm going to be getting into soon)

 

Sats truly won't have any base.  You can count on them down to maybe 150 hz, 200 probably for real cheap ones.  I always feel that sats sound a lot like their size too.

 

There's a TON more options, just you'll need more money.  There's also a few sizes out of the BIC line that look interesting, though I don't know who's actually listened to them.  You could always go the DIY route too.  There's a few kits around that even include the boxes for around the same range, <$200.

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http://www.amazon.com/dp/B00E7H8GG2?m=AFKH6OU9WWNFS&tag=mygapa-20

I would wait and get these instead, its the new version with a crossover, they should be back in stock this month.
Interesting, see this review:
http://noaudiophile.com/Micca_MB42x_Bookshelf_Speakers/
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There seems to be a little competition between me and the dude that wants to recommend the Cambridge S30 on more than one thread.

All I know is that I have the SPBS-22's - I have modified them (braced/dampened them) and frankly after 6 months of owning them/broken in (see below for my simple system - old 80 watt receiver bought for $50), they sound amazing with tons of bass to boot.

Whatever. smile.gifrolleyes.gif

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There seems to be a little competition between me and the dude that wants to recommend the Cambridge S30 on more than one thread.

There are a bunch of us who regularly recommend the Cambridge S30, and have done so across many threads. Since we often do that when you are not around, I'm sure it has nothing to do with competing with you. rolleyes.gif
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