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johnswill26 11-04-2013 04:56 PM

Thanks in advance for any help with this. I am finally being required to to sell my NHT 3.3's as we just moved and the wife hates the size and the look of them. I tell her they sound really good but I am certain she could care less. So.... I need to find some theatre surrounds that not only sound good but have a high wife acceptance factor. Something with a smaller footprint and blend better. I also want some good two channel punch as I am coming from the NHT's with twin adcom 565 monoblocks. Incidentally, if anyone is interested, pm me. Thanks all

Sibuna 11-04-2013 04:58 PM

budget?

johnswill26 11-04-2013 05:00 PM

A couple Imrportant things I forgot. My budget is between 2500 and 3500 hundred for the setup and I don't mind buying used gear in good shape. Its going to be connected to a Yamaha rxv-2065.

GIEGAR 11-04-2013 05:30 PM

Hey John, I have a couple of ideas, but I'm not 100% clear how many speakers you're after for your budget... 2, 5, 7?

BTW, are these what you're replacing: http://www.stereophile.com/floorloudspeakers/1293nht/index.html ?

I can't imagine why the wife hates them. biggrin.gif

johnswill26 11-04-2013 08:36 PM

Yep, those are the ones I am replacing. If there not gone soon I am sure they will be subject to a 'dusting accident'. Probably wanna go with a five speaker setup....

GIEGAR 11-05-2013 07:03 AM

"I'm working on it right now, honey!" biggrin.gif

It's tough to know what might be acceptable to She of Many Feathers, but here goes in rough order of preference:

  • KEF Q Series 900/600c/300 system in black oak, walnut, white or rosewood: $3100 shipped. Not my first pick, but seem good value. Looks are pretty reasonable.
  • Aperion Audio Verus Grand Tower/Centre/Bookshelf system in gloss cherry or gloss black: $3496 shipped. Terrific looking speakers I reckon, particularly the big centre channel.
  • SVSound Ultra Tower/Centre/Bookshelf system in piano black only: $3659 shipped. These would certainly give you the two channel punch you're after with their 8" woofers. Again, terrific looking speakers and beautifully finished, but the trapezoidal shape may be a concern.
  • PSB Speakers Imagine T/C/Mini system in gloss black (say): $3920 shipped. Price is an Open Box/New combo from Crutchfield, but your local dealer should be able to put together a good package price. Above your budget, but I included these because I've personally heard favourable comments from the fairer sex about the slender profile and curved cabinets of these. By most accounts, an excellent sounding speaker.
  • Ascend Acoustics Sierra Tower/Horizon/CBM-170 SE system in satin espresso (say): $3624 shipped. Sierras are very highly regarded speakers with exemplary published measurements. Understated good looks, but the high profile of the Horizon centre may be a problem. Easily my pick in this bunch.

Hope that helps as a starting point at least. Let us know what you and the bride think. smile.gif

Transmaniacon 11-05-2013 07:30 AM

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Originally Posted by GIEGAR View Post

"I'm working on it right now, honey!" biggrin.gif

It's tough to know what might be acceptable to She of Many Feathers, but here goes in rough order of preference:

  • KEF Q Series 900/600c/300 system in black oak, walnut, white or rosewood: $3100 shipped. Not my first pick, but seem good value. Looks are pretty reasonable.
  • Aperion Audio Verus Grand Tower/Centre/Bookshelf system in gloss cherry or gloss black: $3496 shipped. Terrific looking speakers I reckon, particularly the big centre channel.
  • SVSound Ultra Tower/Centre/Bookshelf system in piano black only: $3659 shipped. These would certainly give you the two channel punch you're after with their 8" woofers. Again, terrific looking speakers and beautifully finished, but the trapezoidal shape may be a concern.
  • PSB Speakers Imagine T/C/Mini system in gloss black (say): $3920 shipped. Price is an Open Box/New combo from Crutchfield, but your local dealer should be able to put together a good package price. Above your budget, but I included these because I've personally heard favourable comments from the fairer sex about the slender profile and curved cabinets of these. By most accounts, an excellent sounding speaker.
  • Ascend Acoustics Sierra Tower/Horizon/CBM-170 SE system in satin espresso (say): $3624 shipped. Sierras are very highly regarded speakers with exemplary published measurements. Understated good looks, but the high profile of the Horizon centre may be a problem. Easily my pick in this bunch.

Hope that helps as a starting point at least. Let us know what you and the bride think. smile.gif

These are all great suggestions, my vote goes for the Sierras if you can swing it. One other option on the cheaper side of things, but still with great quality and amazing finish, is EMP. You could get the E55Ti/E56Ci/E55Wi for $1600, leaving you a good chunk for subs and a date night for the wife wink.gif There is a great review on the forums of someone who did a shootout with the SVS Ultras, EMPs, Galos, and Philharmonic 3s, and they found the Ultras and EMPs to be quite similar, definitely great value there.

Salamandro 11-05-2013 09:05 AM

I'll vote for the PSB Imagine line. They're fairly small towers, beautifully finished, sound great (who would have thought?) and their curved design really sets them apart from all the blocky towers.

zieglj01 11-05-2013 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

A couple Imrportant things I forgot. My budget is between 2500 and 3500 hundred for the setup and I don't mind buying used gear in good shape. Its going to be connected to a Yamaha rxv-2065.

Look at Monitor Audio Silver, they are nice - at Saturday Audio - click on the Silver closeout logo
http://www.saturdayaudio.com/

AV Science Sales 5 11-05-2013 09:19 AM

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

Thanks in advance for any help with this. I am finally being required to to sell my NHT 3.3's as we just moved and the wife hates the size and the look of them. I tell her they sound really good but I am certain she could care less. So.... I need to find some theatre surrounds that not only sound good but have a high wife acceptance factor. Something with a smaller footprint and blend better. I also want some good two channel punch as I am coming from the NHT's with twin adcom 565 monoblocks. Incidentally, if anyone is interested, pm me. Thanks all

I see why you needed the mono blocks. Look at KEF LS50's with a sub. If we can help you with recommendations and pricing, give us a call.

johnswill26 11-05-2013 09:53 AM

Thanks for the suggestions and narrowing things down. I haven't even heard of half these brands. Time to do some research. Yeah the nht's are very power hungry for sure.

johnswill26 11-05-2013 09:59 AM

That PSB imagine is a great looking speaker. Could be pretty pricey to put together a whole system. Damn....

johnswill26 11-05-2013 01:22 PM

Those aperion grand tower sorround kit is a nice look and the review say it sounds great too! Little bit outta budget but.... Not too much. Wonder how much amp I will need to run it all effectively. Any thoughts?

GIEGAR 11-05-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Transmaniacon View Post

These are all great suggestions, my vote goes for the Sierras if you can swing it. One other option on the cheaper side of things, but still with great quality and amazing finish, is EMP. You could get the E55Ti/E56Ci/E55Wi for $1600, leaving you a good chunk for subs and a date night for the wife wink.gif There is a great review on the forums of someone who did a shootout with the SVS Ultras, EMPs, Galos, and Philharmonic 3s, and they found the Ultras and EMPs to be quite similar, definitely great value there.
Right back at ya! That's a great suggestion too, and a bit of a glaring omission on my part. I tend to get fixated on the upper limit of the budget and overlook high value offerings like EMPTek that come in much cheaper. Great looking speakers too and I love that monster of a centre channel!

I must remember EMPTek. I must remember EMPTek. I must...

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

That PSB imagine is a great looking speaker. Could be pretty pricey to put together a whole system. Damn....
Actually, Transmaniacon's suggested EMPTek Impression system plus two Rythmik F15 subs for a total of $3470 (shipped) is pretty compelling by comparison.

Valtyr 11-05-2013 01:37 PM

I'm going to second the Monitor Audio recommendion. They're very attractive, very great sound, and quite frankly I feel that they're one of the best deals in audio. I think they'd come in with a reasonable price and perform as good or better than any options (aside from Ascend) mentioned here.

If you're patient you may piece together a wonderful set for less than half of your price tag and save the rest for a nice sub from SVS, Rythmik, or HSU.

Best money spent in my opinion!

Sibuna 11-05-2013 01:41 PM

Ive only heard the Monitor RX8s but liked them a lot.

I was going to suggest looking into Salks for high WAF but they may not fall in your budget if you are looking to get a 5.1 system.

You could do the front 3 and a sub and worry about the rears later however

johnswill26 11-05-2013 02:06 PM

My NHT 3.3's just got listed on eBay for a steal if you can come pick em up. They are a beast of a set. I am so sad to see them go but good women are as hard to find as these speakers.... Loudest clearest most accurate speakers I have ever heard. With these monoblocks it will knock the pictures off your nieghbors walls! Lol!

charmerci 11-05-2013 03:12 PM

You have two threads on the same subject. I was confused.

I posted these on the other one as a good looking set.

http://www.paradigm.com/products/type=bookshelf/model=studio-20/page=gallery

johnswill26 11-05-2013 05:38 PM

So I just realised the kids punched a hole in the midbass on my Center channel. Gonna cost me 90 bucks to get a new midbass. Is it absolutely important to have the same manufacturer for the towers and surrounds for the Center? The nht 2c is a highly rated center channel and not inexpensive, like 500 bucks I think. Would it wound like crap to mix em?

johnswill26 11-05-2013 05:40 PM

The aperion grands look amazing along with the pSB's. Think its between those two.

zieglj01 11-05-2013 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

So I just realised the kids punched a hole in the midbass on my Center channel. Gonna cost me 90 bucks to get a new midbass. Is it absolutely important to have the same manufacturer for the towers and surrounds for the Center? The nht 2c is a highly rated center channel and not inexpensive, like 500 bucks I think. Would it wound like crap to mix em?

Timbre (voice) matching, is really recommended.

From Bluray forum
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.php?s=4a34e79cefb300a01646d348b036e99c&p=4278584&postcount=3

GIEGAR 11-06-2013 07:11 AM

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

Those aperion grand tower sorround kit is a nice look and the review say it sounds great too! Little bit outta budget but.... Not too much. Wonder how much amp I will need to run it all effectively. Any thoughts?
I'd pass on that systems Bravus 10D sub in favour one from a specialist ID sub manufacturer, and also consider a second identical one down the track. My favourite is the Rythmik F15 I linked above. If you want to save a bit, Aperion currently have cherry gloss GV towers and centre in their open box section for a total of $180 off.

The GV's are around average sensitivity for a speaker of their type and will play reasonably loudly on mid-to-upper level AVR power. Your Adcom 565's will be more than adequate I reckon. Let us know what your preferred maximum listening levels are and your listening distance and we can give you more of an idea. Do you currently have an AVR?

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

The aperion grands look amazing along with the pSB's. Think its between those two.
Do you have a PSB dealer nearby? They may let you take a demo pair of Imagines home for a weekend audition. At the same time, take advantage of Aperion's 30-day trial period (they pay return shipping) by ordering a pair of towers. Then have a mini speaker shootout at home and go with the full system for the pair you and your wife like best.

johnswill26 11-06-2013 09:46 AM

Thanks for the heads up! What is a specialist I'd sub? Is that a manufacturer? I have an rxv-2065 Yamaha. I don't recall the power output but I know thAt it was pretty compared to most. I will check and update. I am going to sell the 565 monoblocks as for just about any other speaker they would likely be an over kill. Maybe go with a bryston if an amp is required. I am all about open box though, great tip!

johnswill26 11-06-2013 09:50 AM

Looks like 130 w at 8 ohms for the front three channels. The aperions are at 6 ohms so? About 200 watts?

GIEGAR 11-06-2013 08:01 PM

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

Thanks for the heads up! What is a specialist I'd sub? Is that a manufacturer? I have an rxv-2065 Yamaha. I don't recall the power output but I know thAt it was pretty compared to most. I will check and update. I am going to sell the 565 monoblocks as for just about any other speaker they would likely be an over kill. Maybe go with a bryston if an amp is required. I am all about open box though, great tip!
Sorry John, ID = internet direct. The usual (well respected) suspects are: SVSound, Hsu Research, Power Sound Audio (PSA) (newish player), Rythmik Audio (my pick), Funk Audio (higher end), Seaton Sound and JTR Speakers. There's probably others that I've forgetten.

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Originally Posted by johnswill26 View Post

Looks like 130 w at 8 ohms for the front three channels. The aperions are at 6 ohms so? About 200 watts?
Yep, 130W continuous per channel into 8 ohms but with only two channels driven simultaneously. The spec sheet says Dynamic Power (meaning short term) per channel into 6 ohms is 200W for the fronts. Into the 92dBSPL/1 watt/1m Aperion VGT's, 200W will give you a theoretical 105dBSPL at 1m from the speaker. At average listening distances that will translate to about 100dBSPL at the seat for each speaker, or about -5dB master volume on a reference calibrated AVR. If you regularly listen louder than that or have an unusually long listening distance, it might be worth hanging on to the Adcoms until you're sure that the Yamaha can power your selected speaker cleanly to your desired maximum levels.
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