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I am ordering the Denon AVR-x2000 and now I am looking for the speakers for a 5.1 setup. I am looking at the Pioneer SP-PK21BS. All the reviews say they are great but the reviews are a few years old. I was also looking at Energy take classic 5.1. I do like the small size of the energy take but if the pioneers are better I am fine with the bigger size. Does anyone still recommend the Pioneers or is there something new around the $500 mark that sound better? They will be used for music and movies but movies much more.

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I am ordering the Denon AVR-x2000 and now I am looking for the speakers for a 5.1 setup. I am looking at the Pioneer SP-PK21BS. All the reviews say they are great but the reviews are a few years old. I was also looking at Energy take classic 5.1. I do like the small size of the energy take but if the pioneers are better I am fine with the bigger size. Does anyone still recommend the Pioneers or is there something new around the $500 mark that sound better? They will be used for music and movies but movies much more.

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Have you actually ordered the receiver?

If you haven't, I would strongly consider spending less on the receiver and more on the speakers and sub. A great many people on this forum will suggest spending 25-33% of your budget on the receiver and the rest on the speakers and sub.

Speakers and subs are what you will actually hear.
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What speakers would be recommended if I went down on the cost of the amp?
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What speakers would be recommended if I went down on the cost of the amp?

What sort of speakers is dependent on a number of things.

Among them room size, listening preferences and total budget.

Could you give us more insight about those things, please?

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+1 on the spend less on the AVR! That is a 600 dollar Avr that will sound like crap if you buy crappy speakers. You can get a more than adequate 5.1 rec with enough power and room correction for 250! That would give you 300-350 more for speakers, and now, you are in a better category of speaker! 500 dollars gets you a decent htib 5.1, but 800 dollars and suddenly you have many options.

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Room size is 20x16. It will be mostly for movies but some music. If music sound is decent thats fine for better movie sound. I was looking at the avr x2000 which i was going to get for $440. I can go down on the receiver cost and spend more on the speakers. Was looking to spend around 1000 total but i can spend an extra 100 or 200. Will still consider going down on the receiver but i do like its features mainly its ability to play mp3 from my network, pandora, siriusxm, and multi room control. My living room does have 2 very large openings on the sides leading into other rooms probably double the size of a normal door.
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Room size is 20x16. It will be mostly for movies but some music. If music sound is decent thats fine for better movie sound. I was looking at the avr x2000 which i was going to get for $440. I can go down on the receiver cost and spend more on the speakers. Was looking to spend around 1000 total but i can spend an extra 100 or 200. Will still consider going down on the receiver but i do like its features mainly its ability to play mp3 from my network, pandora, siriusxm, and multi room control. My living room does have 2 very large openings on the sides leading into other rooms probably double the size of a normal door.

Others can give you more guidance on what AVR might have the best feature set for your needs,

As for speakers-Polk, Pioneer,Infinity Primus and Cambridge speakers could be good choices for your budget.
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Do you need a 7.1 receiver? Something like the Denon AVR-1613 has Audyssey MultEQ and networking, if you want an additiona zone, the 1913 would be a good choice. I wouldn't spend more than $300. This would be a good choice: http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/DENAVR1913/DENON-AVR-1913-7.1ch-Home-Theater-Receiver-w/AirPlay-3D-ready/1.html

With $700 left for speakers, I would get this sub kit: http://www.parts-express.com/pe/showdetl.cfm?partnumber=300-770 (It takes an hour to assemble and everything is already cut and you don't need to buy anything else) and then with the last bit of your budget go for the Pioneer speakers. Two pairs of BS22 for fronts and surrounds, and a C22 center. This will be a great budget system and will blow away the Energy Take Classics.

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I was looking a the 1913 but people had said go with x2000 due to the multieq xt that it has over the regular multieq of the 1913. Is there a big difference?
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At your budget, I don't think it's worth spending another $150 to have XT. If you don't need 7.1 and can live without a zone 2, the Denon AVR-1713 has XT and should be around $250-300 on that site. AFAIK this is the cheapest XT receiver, with the Denon AVR-X1000 being its newer counterpart.

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Who gave you that idea of such an expensive AVR TC? Back when we were first starting out we would find open box or refurbished receivers for about $100 that were "good enough" for budget setups. Then I hit the "HTIB alternatives thread" where Polk was big at the time.

There are guides out there for taking a microphone and doing your own "EQ" calibration.

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ok 1913 it is. Thanks guys. I do want the second zone so I can supply my outside speakers and bedroom speakers with the unit. The Pioneers suggested here are a really good price $400 without the sub.
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Try the used market for sure. I got Klipsch RF-3ii towers, Klipsch RC-3ii center., and Klipsch RS-3ii surrounds. All Reference series, for $320 total. Incredible speakers.

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Hmm. Too many options to pick from for av newb like my self.... I think I'm leaningf towards the denon e400... But really I don't plan on doing 7 for atleast five years so maybe e300... Or should I find something that supports bt and wifi.... Agh
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Hmm. Too many options to pick from for av newb like my self.... I think I'm leaningf towards the denon e400... But really I don't plan on doing 7 for atleast five years so maybe e300... Or should I find something that supports bt and wifi.... Agh

Don't buy a receiver for 5 years from now, technology changes too fast to try and future proof that much. With things like 4K and HDMI 2.0, there will be some significant changes coming up, so I would buy what you need now and upgrade later. Bluetooth is not a good method for streaming, the 1613 and up have ethernet ports for streaming music.

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I'm trying to research and read as much as I can but there are just so many differences between them and some are just so slight. I picked up so klipsch rb 61 bookshelf speakers with center and sub for now. Want to make sure I don't buy one then go hmm maybe I should have bought x instead.
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I'm trying to research and read as much as I can but there are just so many differences between them and some are just so slight. I picked up so klipsch rb 61 bookshelf speakers with center and sub for now. Want to make sure I don't buy one then go hmm maybe I should have bought x instead.

Don't look too much into it. If you want Audyssey MultEQ XT and 7.1, look into the AVR-2113 for $350 at www.accessories4less.com In my opinion there aren't enough worthwhile changes in this years models to warrant so much of your budget.

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Don't think I need the 7.1 just 5.1 is all I'm thinking for this house and theatre room size.
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I agree with Transmaniacon and the others. Stick to spending less on the receiver and more on the receiver and sub. And don't cheap out on the sub. Remember that the sub is a big speaker/enclosure with an amp inside. In a room as big as yours, you'll need a sub that has some good maximum output.

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Well if you also want to power outdoor/bedroom speakers, you will need additional channels.

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Rather than the build your own subI was looking at the BIC America F12 with the pioneer bs22's and the c22 for the center. is the Bic f12 a good idea?
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Rather than the build your own subI was looking at the BIC America F12 with the pioneer bs22's and the c22 for the center. is the Bic f12 a good idea?

It's an okay sub, but if you have the budget for something better, I would take advantage. When it comes to subs, the more you spend, the more you get. That kit will take you an hour and you will end up a good sub that is more appropriate for a room your size.

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