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post #1 of 18 Old 11-11-2013, 10:28 PM - Thread Starter
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Hi all, time for a speaker upgrade.. I'm looking for some recommendations and opinions on what I've found on CL ..

Current Setup :

Room 21 x 16 x 8. This is a finished basement with carpeted cement floors.



Epson 6500 UB HD Projector with 110in Screen
Denon AVR-3808CI running 7.1

Bose AM7 in front with the center dual-cube replaced with a Bose VCS-10 (direct to receiver)
Two sets of AM5s for the surround and rears.
Modified $100 KLH 10in sub from Costco.. (Removed 1 of 2 ports, added poly filling)

I've had all these speakers for many years and in my years in a small apartment, they fit the bill. And truthfully, this Denon amp doesn't do a bad job with them when setup in a way to take advantage of the 3 Bose sub/mid boxes, at least for movies. Heck, even the KLH sub isn't all that bad. I'm sure I'll wonder WTF I was thinking once I get some 'real' speakers though smile.gif

Ok, on to my options.. I'd like to keep this to a $1200-1500 level.. I have no problem going with used provided they are in near new condition and haven't been abused. On my local CraigsList I've run across this so far :

A great looking SVS PB12 NSD for $425

And someone selling all of this in like new condition for $925.. i don't need the receiver but i can just resell or put in my office.. Then I just find two more S20's to get to 7.1

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Two F30 front towers
One c20 center speaker
Two s20 rear surround speakers
One sw110 sub
Pioneer vsx 1015 tx 840 watt receiver

From the new side, I'm considering putting together a 7.1 package using front, center, and bookshelfs from Ascend Acoustics with a BIC PL200 for the sub unless I grab the SVS from CL. Almost had a SVS 10in for $250 but it already sold.

Any thoughts on what I've found so far or recommendations on a setup are appreciated. Also, if anyone is looking to get rid of a good lightly used setup or sub, let me know.

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Correction, just found a newer post on that Klipsch & Pioneer setup, it's down to 850 now for all of it.. which is what the F30s and S20s alone are on ebay right now.

Also, do any of the good speaker companies typically run great deals over the holidays? Wondering if I should keep an eye out for anything particular.

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Get the SVS PB12-NSD. Once you hook that up, you definitely will see how great a sub can sound biggrin.gif

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By all means get that SVS sub. Buy the other stuff and resell the subs that came with it or see if he will separate.

Dumb enough to spend lots of cash on this junk!
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I don't even know that I would buy that other setup. The Denon AVR-3808CI is likely a good bit better receiver than that Pioneer. It might not have HD processing (I don't know about his model), but neither does my Denon AVR-888 (same year model). I use the PS3 as a blu-ray player and it does the HD processing into LPCM. The 3808 can be used in the same way with a blu-ray player with that capability if HD audio processing is what is missing.

I'd wait until a better speaker deal comes along without a receiver and sub.

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The 3808CI has TrueHD, DTS-MA decoding so that wont be an issue.

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The 3808CI has TrueHD, DTS-MA decoding so that wont be an issue.

That's good. No reason to upgrade that receiver smile.gif

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Thanks all. I'm not looking to upgrade the receiver, i't can handle pretty much anything other than 3D video which I don't have the projector for yet anyway, and even then I can just run a direct line from the Oppo to the projector. With 7 channels at 130w, that will be plenty for my needs in this house.

I have the room but is there any real reason to have floor standing speakers? I would much rather have something that can just be mounted to the wall but don't want to sacrifice sound.

May head over to the BB Magnolia store later to see what they have setup in their demo rooms.

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This look like a good package? Or can i do better than Polk for the same $


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the polk you list are good budget speakers...other that are as good (or better or worse, depending on one's taste)...
-Infinity Primus p363/P163 speakers. Watch for sales, especially if you live near a Fry's.
-Def tech SM350/450. Very good bookshelf speaker for around ~200/ pair when on Sale...mostly New Egg. Smaller than towers, but they pack a pretty good punch!
-Cambridge Audio S30/S70...haven't heard these, but they seem to get high marks in the bang for the buck speaker category. S30 if space is limiting (or the WAF factor is a "factor") or the S70 if you want more output!

The SVS sub listed above will be excellent...

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I am no audiophile however I am in the same boat. Blew my 11 year old BIC sub (my fault not the sub) and started shopping around. (puts on my own flame suit) I Have a Bose AM 5 set for my 4 surrounds and A set of very entry level Klipsh for LCR. I have been doing alot of research on the BIC PL-28II center (Planning on getting 3 and using for LCR and the PL-66 for surrounds (4 total) I was quoted 899 delivered for all that. Just talk to them online don't go click on buy. I bought the PL-200 Sub separate for 280 delivered. Now the sub you are looking at maybe better than that I don't know (I assume it is remember I said I am not an audiophile)

I am however like you in that I do not want big furniture speakers sitting on my floor. All the ones I listed have gotten very favorable reviews and can all be wall mounted right out of the box without buying more mounting gear. I have not pulled the trigger yet but wanted to let you know about them. Take the info for what its worth. But it definitely falls in your budget and something to consider. Good Luck.

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Thanks all. I'm not looking to upgrade the receiver, i't can handle pretty much anything other than 3D video which I don't have the projector for yet anyway, and even then I can just run a direct line from the Oppo to the projector. With 7 channels at 130w, that will be plenty for my needs in this house.

I have the room but is there any real reason to have floor standing speakers? I would much rather have something that can just be mounted to the wall but don't want to sacrifice sound.

May head over to the BB Magnolia store later to see what they have setup in their demo rooms.

Thanks

Many on AVS will tell you that if you plan on using a sub, floor standing speakers offer you no benefit. Assuming you use a standard 80hz crossover with your receiver, the low frequency capabilities of floor standing speakers won't be used and it will be wasted money.
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Many on AVS will tell you that if you plan on using a sub, floor standing speakers offer you no benefit. Assuming you use a standard 80hz crossover with your receiver, the low frequency capabilities of floor standing speakers won't be used and it will be wasted money.

Many will say that, doesn't make it 100% correct though.

Unless you get stand mount speakers with the same number of drivers then there can be a difference even when crossed over a 80 or 100hz. Kind of like the a pair of Klipsch RB62s versus the RF62.

With both crossed over at 80hz the RF towers still have the advantage of one extra driver up to the point of crossover to the "tweeter". Double the surface area means more SPL for a given amount of power. So there are advantages to towers even when using a sub and crossover.
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Correct, but the point most often raised is you can get more bang for the buck with bookshelves, if you are using a sub! On a tight budget, usually bookshelves and a sub is the way to go. For instance, the other day New Egg had Polk M40 for 109.00/pr and Polk M50 for 119 each. So for just under 1/2 the cost of the towers, you get the same configuration of drivers (2 x 5.25 woofer, 1 inch dome tweeter), but in a bookshelf speaker...
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Correct, but the point most often raised is you can get more bang for the buck with bookshelves, if you are using a sub! On a tight budget, usually bookshelves and a sub is the way to go. For instance, the other day New Egg had Polk M40 for 109.00/pr and Polk M50 for 119 each. So for just under 1/2 the cost of the towers, you get the same configuration of drivers (2 x 5.25 woofer, 1 inch dome tweeter), but in a bookshelf speaker...

Exactly the point I was trying to make. But, if you don't already have stands or are not placing them on a shelf you just shot a big chunk of the savings by buying stands. I know you could make them yourself or rig something up, but most people do not, they would likely buy stands.

After getting my first set of towers since 1985 I really like the looks better than BS and stands.

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Correct, but the point most often raised is you can get more bang for the buck with bookshelves, if you are using a sub! On a tight budget, usually bookshelves and a sub is the way to go. For instance, the other day New Egg had Polk M40 for 109.00/pr and Polk M50 for 119 each. So for just under 1/2 the cost of the towers, you get the same configuration of drivers (2 x 5.25 woofer, 1 inch dome tweeter), but in a bookshelf speaker...
I agree with this, if you are on a tight budget like you said. But if not I like towers better for the reasons Kini made. I think they sound better and look better. But you both made some good points that should help the OP. They made me think through what I liked about towers vs bookshelves. 
 
Going back to that great looking SVS PB12-NSD for $425. I hope you pulled the trigger on that. That's a great deal and a great sub. Definitely get it and build your system around it! :D
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I was able to get stands for my Def Tech SM450 for 10 dollars each. Not exactly the correct height, but close and I just tilt the speakers up a bit to get the tweeters "pointed" toward ear level.

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Not sure if you got your system yet but take a look at this. 5.1 or 7.1 if it's in your budget. If you go with the 5.1, you can decide to upgrade the LCR and move these L & R to the rear for 7.1.
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hybrid2pkg.html
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