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Old 11-20-2013, 09:57 PM - Thread Starter
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I have recently changed up my speaker set due to a move to a really small apartment. My Athena F2.2 were somewhat obtrusive, even though I loved their sound. I had them paired with a Panasonic SA-XR55, and I honestly haven't heard a better combination.  I wanted to move toward something smaller, but after demoing some bookshelves and smaller satellites I determined that I'm just hooked on the full range sound of towers. so, After finding a great deal, I purchased a pair of Mythos STS towers. These have the form factor I'm after, as well as WAF which is key. Lifestyle speakers, it is!

 

Running them on the Panny, I'm left wondering if it's suitable for these things. I've graduated to big boy (or compared to some of you, just bigger boy) speakers, and perhaps I need to upgrade my receiver too. On top of that, the mids and vocals seem receeded or quietted on the Mythos with the Panny. Much like my need of "lifestyle" speakers, I also need a "lifestyle" amp. I have a tv stand with space for something only 5" tall (opening is 5", interior is 6"). 

 

I'm considering either a slim amp (Marantz NR-1604, Pioneer VSX-C300, Yamaha RX-600), a T-Class amp (perfferrably with multiple inputs), or a small tube amp/integrated amp (I.E Jolida). High wattage isn't necessary, as the mythos have an integrated sub amp and are pretty efficient. 

 

I only need 3 HDMI inputs, so I can use my plasma as a switch with its digital audio out. I don't need surround as I've sold my Athena 5.1 System, and I won't need it until I move to a larger room.

 

If I am looking at best value (sound quality and features for price), does anyone have suggestions as to which direction to go? Are tube amps really that much of an improvement over, say a Sonic Impact? Ideally, I'd get something with at least two inputs. Are the slim AVR's more feature oriented than sound, or could I expect a significant improvement in sound, too?

 

I don't need anything extremely "audiophile" grade, because honestly a lot of my experiences so far has been Roku, 3.5mm jack on my computer, and MOG/Grooveshark. I just want something better than the way the Panny sounds now. 

 

Sorry for thr the rambling, and thank you for anyone that's read through 

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Old 11-21-2013, 10:54 AM - Thread Starter
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Would it help for me to create a shorter, more concise version of what I said above?

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You didn't mention, or at least I didn't see, a budget. Going off of dimensions, sound quality, and that you don't need hdmi switching; check out Peachtree Audio and their decco line. They sound great, look great, and Dave Solomon (one of the owners) is one of the nicest guys in audio.

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Thank you for your reply! Looks like the Decco series is a bit more than I'm looking for. 

 

I don't really have a budget. Probably would be looking for something used, somewhere between $200 and $500 prefferably. 

 

The more I listen to these new speakers (well, they were used), the more I find that either A) They aren't my musical style, or B) they don't jive with the Panny at all. Sound is very detailed, but the mids seem really distant. I'm very appreciative of good vocals, and I find songs I used to love are nearly unlistenable with this combo. Voices are receeded, and it lacks so much warmth. 

 

I A/B test these things against a cheap pair of Athena AS-B1 Bookshelves I have, and I find I I actually like the Athena's better. They don't have the low end, but they sound more natural. I wonder if their warmer nature balanced out the Panny a bit. I'm hoping a warmer amp helps solve that. 

 

Ideal would be something that could accept a digital audio in (though I could get a DAC), has a remote, etc. I was thinking about just getting a sonic impact for just for fun. 

 

Overall, I just need a replacement. Not happy as is. Any thoughts?

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Keep adjusting the bass levels with the gain knobs on the STS's. Too much bass and the speakers are boomy with recessed mids. Too little and they are bright sounding.

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The more I listen to these new speakers (well, they were used), the more I find that either A) They aren't my musical style, or B) they don't jive with the Panny at all. Sound is very detailed, but the mids seem really distant. I'm very appreciative of good vocals, and I find songs I used to love are nearly unlistenable with this combo. Voices are receeded, and it lacks so much warmth. 

I A/B test these things against a cheap pair of Athena AS-B1 Bookshelves I have, and I find I I actually like the Athena's better. They don't have the low end, but they sound more natural. I wonder if their warmer nature balanced out the Panny a bit. I'm hoping a warmer amp helps solve that. 

Ideal would be something that could accept a digital audio in (though I could get a DAC), has a remote, etc. I was thinking about just getting a sonic impact for just for fun. 

Overall, I just need a replacement. Not happy as is. Any thoughts?
It's not the amp.

Amps vary far less than speakers. Unless you go tube or change the equalization, you're talking about small differences.

A Sonic Impact would be a mistake.
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It's not the amp.

Amps vary far less than speakers. Unless you go tube or change the equalization, you're talking about small differences.

A Sonic Impact would be a mistake.

 

Interesting point. I feel like the mid's are recessed more than just to the degree of a preference. I'd argue they don't sound right.  Snowmanick's gain point might be a  good next step. 

 

Also, why would the sonic impact be a mistake?  What type of difference would a tube amp make? Would an equalizer have to be a separate, or is that something that would come with certain amps?

 

 

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Keep adjusting the bass levels with the gain knobs on the STS's. Too much bass and the speakers are boomy with recessed mids. Too little and they are bright sounding.

 

Thank you, I will play with them over the next few days. I can see how that might cause recessed mids. 

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So I turned down the sub gain on the STS, and that certainly improved things quite a bit. I had turned these up a little higher as I was expecting more of a sub "thump" from the STS's, but I was muddying the sound for sure. It looks like I may actually have to keep the sub to get the lows I am looking for. 

 

Overall, I am still a little underwhelmed by the vocals on these things. Most MUSIC sounds great, but when the vocals kick in I feel things are out of balance--they seem too distant. 

 

So, I figure asking people on the net to tell me what to do is silly. I've got a slim Marantz, slim Yamaha, a tube amp, and an equalizer coming my way to demo. We'll see where that goes. 

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