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Hi everybody!

 

Need some expert advice on purchasing my first home theater system.

The space is about 23'x20' (part of the basement) and the ceiling is low (7ft).

The main purpose is to watch movies using a projector, probably some music.

 

I've ordered the Denon 5.1 Channel 3D-Ready Network Receiver with AirPlay (AVR-E300).

Concerning the speakers I was targeting to get the following Klipsch set:

 

(2) RF-82 II Reference V Series Floorstanding Speakers
(1) RC-52 II Reference V Series Center Channel Speaker
(2) RS-42 II Reference V Series Surround Speakers
(1) SW-110 Powered Subwoofer 10"

 

The price is slightly above $2000 with free shipping.

I believe the price is good - the total for individual components is at least 10% higher, however I don't have confidence with the speakers.

From what I've learned the floor speakers (RF-82 II) are good enough for my space.

 

Any advice or links for reading/learning will be appreciated.

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fwiw, take a look at the chase home theater -theater-10s ($300 ea. until the end of November then they go up tp $395 ea. ) for your lcr and maybe a pair of m1's for rears ($125 ea.) this will give you plenty for an awesome sub like a hsu vth 15h or psa xv15 sub just a suggestion

http://www.chasehometheater.com/forum/showthread.php?t=5570

http://www.chasehometheater.com/index.php?page=shop.product_details&category_id=28&flypage=flypage.tpl&product_id=679&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=149
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Good system other than the sub. The sub is going to be way under powered for your room plus it doesn't extend much deeper than your towers.

Your room is over 3000^3 feet. A pair of SVS PB1000s would be kind of the minimum for double subs and a PSA XV15, the minimum single sub solution if you want some output around 20hz.

A single PA-150 would give you good output above about 35hz.

Edit- totally keep forgetting about the new Chase speakers since the new website is not up. Should be a nice speaker for HT.
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Ditch the floorstanders, get bookshelves instead, put the money into a pair of twelve inch subs.
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Ditch the floorstanders, get bookshelves instead, put the money into a pair of twelve inch subs.

That would be fine advice if he were able to find bookshelves with dual 8" woofers, like JTR 228s, but at his budget he isn't going to find that.

But the new Chase speakers seem to have promise for the price.
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Hi everybody!

Need some expert advice on purchasing my first home theater system.
The space is about 23'x20' (part of the basement) and the ceiling is low (7ft).
The main purpose is to watch movies using a projector, probably some music.

I've ordered the Denon 5.1 Channel 3D-Ready Network Receiver with AirPlay (AVR-E300).
Concerning the speakers I was targeting to get the following Klipsch set:

(2) RF-82 II Reference V Series Floorstanding Speakers

(1) RC-52 II Reference V Series Center Channel Speaker

(2) RS-42 II Reference V Series Surround Speakers

(1) SW-110 Powered Subwoofer 10"

The price is slightly above $2000 with free shipping.
I believe the price is good - the total for individual components is at least 10% higher, however I don't have confidence with the speakers.
From what I've learned the floor speakers (RF-82 II) are good enough for my space.

Any advice or links for reading/learning will be appreciated.

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Don't get the Klipsch, get Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE L,C,R speakers
Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE bookshelf speakers as surrounds
Rythmik LV12R sub.

All up about $1800, and as one review said they were comparable in quality to $2,000 per pair Paradigms http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/reviews/HTS340Ascend.pdf


http://www.ascendacoustics.com

Anyway, after reading many recommendations on this forum about the Ascends, that's what I went with (after looking at Klipsch and Polk). Glad I got them. They really shine with 5.1 music.
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Thanks to everybody advised.

Some decisions to take.

I am in Canada (Toronto), so the best pricing I can get here could be ridiculous to you south of the border.

In fact, I can order in US with shipping to Buffalo and pickup.

The problem I won't be able to use the warranty in Canada and any returns/exchanges would be a huge hassle.

Anyways, I need to do some home work on chase, psa and Ascend Acoustics products.

Looks like I don't have much time as all good deals will evaporate in the next few days.

Can somebody recommend reliable online stores to look at PSA and Ascend Acoustics speakers?

 

Another question - what could be an alternative for smaller surround speakers? I looked at suggested chase M-1 monitors and they are approx. 18"x7"x7". I believe I need something much smaller as the only possible location for them is to install in mid room on columns only slightly behind the viewer position.

I previously mentioned that my room is 23'x20'. In fact, the seating location will be 11-12' from the projected wall in the middle of the room. The rest of the room is planned as a small kitchen/bar area which will be rear of the seating.

I was planning to install the surround in the mid room, but now thinking if it's a good idea to integrate surround speakers in the bar.

Is it a good idea?

 

Will appreciate all inputs.

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Ascend is direct from the manufacturer only but they have a 30-day guarantee. That seems to be the standard policy for internet-direct manufacturers. Less of your money goes to marketing and supply chain, so you end up with better speakers for the money. Good luck with your purchase and happy listening!
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Since you are in Canada have you considered PSB? Image B6 book shelf speakers with the C4 center and a suitable subwoofer would be a nice combination.
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ascend acoustics and psa subs are internet direct stores and don't have outlet stores. you must purchase from them directly that's why they have such nice in home guarantees and prices . since you live in Canada take a look at the svs subwoofers. they make some great subwoofers they have a few distributers in Canada. just go to their website and look up international sales in Canada. http://www.svsound.com/
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Don't get the Klipsch, get Ascend Acoustics CMT-340SE L,C,R speakers
Ascend Acoustics CBM-170SE bookshelf speakers as surrounds
Rythmik LV12R sub.

All up about $1800, and as one review said they were comparable in quality to $2,000 per pair Paradigms http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/reviews/HTS340Ascend.pdf


http://www.ascendacoustics.com

Anyway, after reading many recommendations on this forum about the Ascends, that's what I went with (after looking at Klipsch and Polk). Glad I got them. They really shine with 5.1 music.

Big +1! ^ That right there ^ would be an outstanding system for the money. With the size of your room, I'd also suggest working towards a second Rythmik LV12R sub in the future (if you can't afford up front).

Midav, if you're after a more compact surround speaker, the Ascend HTM-200 SE is the alternative to the CBM-170 SE. It's a sealed speaker measuring 11" x 6.5" x 6.4" and is ideal for wall mounting. Its timbre is designed to closely match the CMT-340 SE LCR.
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Thanks again everybody contributed. It was really helpful.

I guess my decision would be between Ascend Acoustics and Chase sets.

Not an easy one to take without listening and viewing.

I believe either should be fine for my "beginner" ear.

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Thanks again everybody contributed. It was really helpful.
I guess my decision would be between Ascend Acoustics and Chase sets.
Not an easy one to take without listening and viewing.
I believe either should be fine for my "beginner" ear.

Hi Midav

Without being alarmist, I would urge a moderate degree of caution with respect to Chase and it's new entity "Chane". The speakers being suggested are new on the market and AFAIK untested. I suggest you do some "due diligence" research here on AVS and other sites such as Home Theater Shack and perhaps Audioholics to gauge opinions. I think you'll find opinions on the (part?)owner Craig Chase, the products and the business conducted to be "polarised".

This is a current very active thread that indicates the strength of feeling surrounding aspects of Chase and the new speakers. I link this simply because it is an active thread about the speakers and may not show up in a search due to it's obtuse title.
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Since you are in Toronto call up Stephensons electronics, talk to Sebastian. Best prices in town, PSB, Monitor etc.
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+1 the Ascend over the Klipsch.

+1 more sub for a room that size. Minimally the PSA XV15 or two SVS PB-1000's. ("Pressurizing" the room a big part of good, audible low bass, and with a big room ...)
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Thanks again everybody contributed. It was really helpful.
I guess my decision would be between Ascend Acoustics and Chase sets.
Not an easy one to take without listening and viewing.
I believe either should be fine for my "beginner" ear.
When you have it, you will be amazed at how much of an audiophile you already were and didn't know it. I believe every hearing person knows and appreciates good quality sound when he or she hears it!
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd take a set of Klipsch Reference any day for HT over any of the other options suggested. But, I would definitely up the center to an RC-62 over the 52.
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I guess I'm in the minority, but I'd take a set of Klipsch Reference any day for HT over any of the other options suggested. But, I would definitely up the center to an RC-62 over the 52.

I'm not anti-Klipsch, but generally speaking I would categorize them as less neutral than a speaker like Ascend (which is not necessarily a bad thing). If the OP can audition the Klipsch and likes their sound then by all means he should get them! Ears are wonderful things wink.gif
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When you have it, you will be amazed at how much of an audiophile you already were and didn't know it. I believe every hearing person knows and appreciates good quality sound when he or she hears it!

 

Thanks!

 


How can I power two subs from a receiver like Denon AVR-E300 which has single sub connection?

Do I need a higher end receiver with two sub connections or a stand alone amp for subs?

 

BTW,  I assume the receiver  I've selected is fine for the discussed speakers.

It's not an expensive one (<$300), doesn't have wi-fi or BT and only one zone which is all perfectly fine with me.

However, if it can't power the speakers well it would be a shame.

I still can return it and look for something more appropriate if really required.

Hoped I can save some $$$ on the receiver part, but invest more in speakers.

 

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Right, and I'm not anti-Ascend either. I've owned their SE's before. But I think if you put some effort into your room, Klipsch stuff can really be jaw-dropping for movies. For music, it depends on how forward sounding and 'live' you like your sound to be. Personally, I like that. But absolutely, everyone's ears are different. cool.gif
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... How can I power two subs from a receiver like Denon AVR-E300 which has single sub connection?
Do I need a higher end receiver with two sub connections or a stand alone amp for subs?

The subs you're considering have their own amps and are self powered (as are most subs) and the receiver's sub-out jack is line level (i.e. not amplified.) So, two sub's can connect to the receivers single sub-out jack with a simple, inexpensive RCA Y-adapter.
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Thanks!

What do you mean by additional speakers? Duplicating the surround speakers?

This relates to the my previous question - how to power two subs from a 5.1 receiver.

 

Also, your definition "The ideal positioning of the surround speakers is at 90 degrees to the viewing axis" is not 100% clear to me.

I am currently considering two options for the surround speakers:

 

1. Install them slightly behind and above the viewers  mounted to columns on both sides.

2. Integrate surround speakers into back wall where the kitchen/bar area is. This will place the surround speakers at the distance of 10' from the viewers and probably not fully symmetrical relative to the center of the screen.

 

I guess there is also an option to mount them anywhere to the ceiling horizontally with grills looking at the screen.

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The subs you're considering have their own amps and are self powered (as are most subs) and the receiver's sub-out jack is line level (i.e. not amplified.) So, two sub's can connect to the receivers single sub-out jack with a simple, inexpensive RCA Y-adapter.

 

Makes sense, thanks. I could get it myself, the subs are connected to the power, so signal only is transferred. This is likely not true for the rest of the speakers which are not connected to the power.

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Makes sense, thanks. I could get it myself, the subs are connected to the power, so signal only is transferred. This is likely not true for the rest of the speakers which are not connected to the power.

Correct - this doesn't apply to the other speaker connections on the AVR.

BTW, the Denon you have is a good, solid choice.

Generally speaking you only want to spend as much on your AVR as you need at the moment. Home AV standards, formats, connections, etc. change so (ridiculously) often that it is nearly impossible to "future proof" your AVR ... it's the part of your system you'll have to replace/upgrade the soonest.

Speakers are the opposite. Good speakers can easily last more than 10-15 years wink.gif
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What do you mean by additional speakers? Duplicating the surround speakers?
This relates to the my previous question - how to power two subs from a 5.1 receiver.

Also, your definition "The ideal positioning of the surround speakers is at 90 degrees to the viewing axis" is not 100% clear to me.
I am currently considering two options for the surround speakers:

1. Install them slightly behind and above the viewers  mounted to columns on both sides.
2. Integrate surround speakers into back wall where the kitchen/bar area is. This will place the surround speakers at the distance of 10' from the viewers and probably not fully symmetrical relative to the center of the screen.


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