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How do Klipsch 62's, Ascend 340's, and EmpTek 55/56 compare? I've only owned Klipsch so far so I'm not worried about the harshness that some have problems with since I don't think I notice it.

This is more about my curiosity in general than it is about me buying something in the near future.

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How do Klipsch 62's, Ascend 340's, and EmpTek 55/56 compare? I've only owned Klipsch so far so I'm not worried about the harshness that some have problems with since I don't think I notice it.

This is more about my curiosity in general than it is about me buying something in the near future.
If youve had klipsch and liked the sound, go for klipsch. Iv owned sony, wharefedale, cerwin vega but when I heard klipsch I was hooked. I dont know any of the other speakers. Also movies or music? I got my klipsch for movies but music is great also.
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The EMP's are a fantastic value. I would rate them better than Klipsch.

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The EMP's are a fantastic value. I would rate them better than Klipsch.

On what basis? Making blanket statements like this without qualification is pointless.

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I can't speak for the Emp's, but I have heard the Klipsch and for me on a personal level they were a bit forward sounding. I own a 340 center paired with the 170's and can speak a little about them. The 340 is an MTM 2-way design unlike the Emp's 2.5 or 3 way design(having just looked them up they appear to be a 3-way), and are what some might call laid back. They are a very accurate speaker and will show the flaws in a recording. I listened to some music on them I thought sounded great on my Athena's but they sounded bad on the Ascend's. Mainly due to being poorly recorded, while a good recording sounded very solid. If you enjoy the sound of the Klipsch you may want to stick with them. If you can find some people near you that own the Emp's or the Ascend's try and set up a listening time to see how you like their sound. One other thing to note is the Emp's are a 6-ohm speaker with an 85db sensitivity and the Ascend's are 8-ohm and have around a 91-95db sensitivity, just an FYI.

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On what basis? Making blanket statements like this without qualification is pointless.
Because EMP Tek is an online retailer with a really great reputation here amongst nearly everyone that has purchased their speakers. Klipsch is well known for massively inflating their specs and sounding somewhat harsh.

Also having nearly 40 years of experience in the audio video field I think I'm capable of making a valid comparison.

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Because EMP Tek is an online retailer with a really great reputation here amongst nearly everyone that has purchased their speakers. Klipsch is well known for massively inflating their specs and sounding somewhat harsh.

Also having nearly 40 years of experience in the audio video field I think I'm capable of making a valid comparison.

Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.

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Sure, ok. Real world specs must mean nothing then.rolleyes.gif

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Because EMP Tek is an online retailer with a really great reputation here amongst nearly everyone that has purchased their speakers. Klipsch is well known for massively inflating their specs and sounding somewhat harsh.

Also having nearly 40 years of experience in the audio video field I think I'm capable of making a valid comparison.
Somewhat harsh is not how I would describe my setup. Crisp, clear and powerfull better describe klipsch, the larger speakers anyway. I still have no opinion on the others as I have not heard them.
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Because EMP Tek is an online retailer with a really great reputation here amongst nearly everyone that has purchased their speakers. Klipsch is well known for massively inflating their specs and sounding somewhat harsh.

Also having nearly 40 years of experience in the audio video field I think I'm capable of making a valid comparison.
Somewhat harsh is not how I would describe my setup. Crisp, clear and powerfull better describe klipsch, the larger speakers anyway. I still have no opinion on the others as I have not heard them.

A given speaker can easily sound vastly different in different rooms, and different locations in the same room. Experienced audiophiles know this.

It is possible to argue forever about how speakers sound and unless the discussion considers this iron-clad fact, its all vanity.
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A given speaker can easily sound vastly different in different rooms, and different locations in the same room. Experienced audiophiles know this.

It is possible to argue forever about how speakers sound and unless the discussion considers this iron-clad fact, its all vanity.
Agreed. I have attempted to eliminate reflections as much as I can by using fluffy rugs on the walls as yes my horns can sound bright. Optimizing your room is very important
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To some people Klipsch has a crisp sound, to others, they can sound harsh. To my ears they get fatiguing very quickly. It depends on your particular tastes. Horns done right are not harsh or fatiguing.

I'm a huge fan of the older Klipsch gear,Jubilees, Klipschorns,Hereseys, etc. the newer lines aren't my cup of tea.

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To some people Klipsch has a crisp sound, to others, they can sound harsh. To my ears they get fatiguing very quickly. It depends on your particular tastes. Horns done right are not harsh or fatiguing.

I'm a huge fan of the older Klipsch gear,Jubilees, Klipschorns,Hereseys, etc. the newer lines aren't my cup of tea.
I got my setup primarily for movies which imo the reference series excell at. Just so happens that I think they play music great too.
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A given speaker can easily sound vastly different in different rooms, and different locations in the same room. Experienced audiophiles know this.

It is possible to argue forever about how speakers sound and unless the discussion considers this iron-clad fact, its all vanity.

. Also, every experienced person knows that constant directivity speakers exhibit less room interaction than conventional type speakers, so you get more of the primary sound to your ears as opposed to getting a lot of the reflected sound. So room interaction has less of an effect and the speaker won't sound as different room to room as other speakers will.


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. Also, every experienced person knows that Leanna Decker speakers exhibit less room interaction than conventional type speakers, so you get the primary sound to your ears first as opposed to getting so much of the reflected sound.
Because of the shorter travel, you *always* get the direct sound first. (unless you are using indirect speakers or some other highly unusual situation)

Also: you don't actually seem to know what "constant directivity" even is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_loudspeaker#Constant_directivity

In specific, constant directivity resolves lobing problems in horns.
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So room interaction has less of an effect and the speaker won't sound as different room to room as other speakers will.
Huh? the bulk of room interaction problems are at low frequencies which are almost never from horn drivers (and even when they are, are omnidirectional against realistic non-infinite baffles, and which have issues even after crossing the room).
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The EMP's are a fantastic value. I would rate them better than Klipsch.
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Because EMP Tek is an online retailer with a really great reputation here amongst nearly everyone that has purchased their speakers. Klipsch is well known for massively inflating their specs and sounding somewhat harsh.

Also having nearly 40 years of experience in the audio video field I think I'm capable of making a valid comparison.
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Sure, ok. Real world specs must mean nothing then.rolleyes.gif

Which specs would those be? You didn't cite any.
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Because of the shorter travel, you *always* get the direct sound first. (unless you are using indirect speakers or some other highly unusual situation)

Also: you don't actually seem to know what "constant directivity" even is : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_loudspeaker#Constant_directivity

In specific, constant directivity resolves lobing problems in horns.
Huh? the bulk of room interaction problems are at low frequencies which are almost never from horn drivers (and even when they are, are omnidirectional against realistic non-infinite baffles, and which have issues even after crossing the room).

Apparently, you only know some things about constant directivity horns.
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Consumer audio employs horn loudspeakers for controlled directivity (to limit audio reflectionsfrom room surfaces such as walls, floor, and ceiling) and for greater speaker sensitivity.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horn_loudspeaker

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Which specs would those be? You didn't cite any.
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(I have recent Klipsch experience. Klipsch overstates sensitivity by 4-6 dB.) Sensitivity is critical because speakers tend to audibly thermal limit well below their maximum rated "RMS" input power. Some including myself specify 1/10th the RMS figure as the "1 dB dynamic compression" point. Even though speakers in this price category might typically safely handle "100Wrms" input power, they tend to audibly clip musical peaks beyond 1/10th their RMS power rating.

Check the sensitivity specs and do the math (subtract 4-6 dB from Klipsch's ridiculous spec). Manufacturers routinely over state sensitivity because it's a critical spec that largely determines overall performance. Check the speaker's acoustic output at 1/10th it's maximum RMS power rating.


Read more: http://www.hometheatershack.com/forums/two-channel-audio/69247-official-1-000-speaker-evaluation-home-audition-event-7.html#ixzz2nDgUl1DR

I have found many more instances where Klipsch regularly inflates their specs.

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I have found many more instances where Klipsch regularly inflates their specs.
IME the only lines where Klipsch does not play fast and loose with specs are Heritage and Cinema. All the rest are inflated, some ludicrously so.
BTW, I wouldn't consider wiki an authoritative source. Some things they get right, some they don't. For instance, 'Due to the development in recent decades of more efficient cone loudspeakers, which have a flatter frequency response, use of horn speakers in high fidelity audio systems has declined' is just plain wrong. Cone drivers are no more efficient/sensitive today than they were 50 years ago. And as for 'A major problem of horn speakers is that the radiation pattern varies with frequency; high frequency sound tends be emitted in narrow beams with poor off-axis performance', the same applies to cone drivers.

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I have found many more instances where Klipsch regularly inflates their specs.
Inflated sensitivity specs or not, MY rf82ii sound amazing to MY ears, And go louder than I can comfortably listen to running through my NAD amp. I still have no opinion on the others. Im sure they sound great and I will not down them.
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I'm not trying to down Klipsch. I am only trying to give the OP information so he can make an informed decision on which speaker to purchase.

IMO, the Klipsch sound a bit harsh. Also, IMO, the EMP Teks are a better value for the money.

The OP started the thread to ask our opinions on the matter so that is what I am giving him.

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IME the only lines where Klipsch does not play fast and loose with specs are Heritage and Cinema. All the rest are inflated, some ludicrously so.
BTW, I wouldn't consider wiki an authoritative source. Some things they get right, some they don't. For instance, 'Due to the development in recent decades of more efficient cone loudspeakers, which have a flatter frequency response, use of horn speakers in high fidelity audio systems has declined' is just plain wrong. Cone drivers are no more efficient/sensitive today than they were 50 years ago. And as for 'A major problem of horn speakers is that the radiation pattern varies with frequency; high frequency sound tends be emitted in narrow beams with poor off-axis performance', the same applies to cone drivers.

True, I usually don't trust Wiki either. I wast just using JL's own ammo against him.

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I'm the first one to admit I'm an amateur when it comes to the technical aspects. I definitely have a lot to learn. But I would hope after 40 years I'm able to discern between poor, mediocre, good and great sound.

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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.
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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.

Let the thread pan out on it's own. Let the OP read some posts. He doesn't care about "your" argument. Let "flyng-fool" make his logical statement....which by the way, "logical" is a synonym of "valid". It's okay for you to adore your speakers.

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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.
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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.

Some speakers have certain characteristics about themselves that "play out" in any room, and the human brain simply remembers those characteristics.

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Let the thread pan out on it's own. Let the OP read some posts. He doesn't care about "your" argument. Let "flyng-fool" make his logical statement....which by the way, "logical" is a synonym of "valid". It's okay for you to adore your speakers.

If your advice is to let the thread pan out, then why did you come in and take a crap on it?

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If your advice is to let the thread pan out, then why did you come in and take a crap on it?

All I was doing was giving my opinion on why I believe the EMPTeks are a better value. I never stated that my opinion was the final authority on anything.

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All I was doing was giving my opinion on why I believe the EMPTeks are a better value. I never stated that my opinion was the final authority on anything.
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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.

...and I can't speak for the OP, but I would think that this is the kind of info he was looking for.

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Unless you've heard them both in the same room preferably at the same time your "valid" comparison is nothing but conjecture and speculation and is anything but VAILD.

In fact it's not even a comparison at all.

While there is some truth to this statement, if everybody abided by these standards when talking about speakers, this forum would be nearly deserted.
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