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post #61 of 81 Old 12-29-2013, 09:30 AM - Thread Starter
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Check out the GoldenEar AON speakers. Given their unique design, I think they're much more forgiving in terms of room shape and placement.

Pelly_NV, what about side-mounted Low Frequency Radiators, are they not an issue reverberation? I am assuming they are on a shelf of some sort.
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Not an issue, athough I'm using Auralex MoPads under each...

Had them without the Auralex pads and no major issues.
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Pelly_NV, what about side-mounted Low Frequency Radiators, are they not an issue reverberation?
Low frequency radiation is omni-directional. Just as with ports it doesn't matter which direction passive radiators aim. .

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You can make your own sound panels for really cheap though. Some wood furrings from home depot, some rock board 80 insulation panels, and thin cloth from hobby lobby.
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Is there a maximum height I should be watching out for on the placement of the bookshelf speakers in the wall-unit? also, is it best to have the center channel speaker under the TV in the wall-unit or can it be above, which will put it quite high?
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I own the HSU HB1 MK2 and decided on them on comparison to many other speakers in their price range due to the size and the horn loading.  They have large woofers for bookshelves at 6.5", and I was reading a lot about the negative effects of having speakers placed in bookshelf due to reflections and what have you.  With the horn design of the HSU, which is rare outside of Klipsch, I felt that the controlled directivity of the tweeters output would reduce the negative effects of being placed in a bookshelf compared to speaker with a flush mounted tweeter.  I am not positive if this is the case, perhaps Bill could comment on whether this would actually be beneficial in this instance or not.  My speakers are placed on the far left and right sides of the shelves they are placed on, toed in as suggested previously.

Also, these speakers are shallower than many other "larger" bookshelfs at 8", whereas many are 9-10" plus in depth.  Power handling seems quite high.  If you want to check this option out, I enjoyed the review done of these at hometheaterreview.com and stereomojo.com.  The one on audioholics is the much older version before they fixed the small sweet spot issue.

Bear123, Did you consider the Polk tsx220 (large front ported bookshelf) before deciding on the HSU speakers? Are the HSU speakers still doing well? Thanks!
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Ignore the brands and prices.
Go listen and then buy from the store that let you listen.

I've been internet shopping for a few weeks and today popped into a store to listen for the first time.
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The one that sounded the best to me was cheaper then I thought, and not something I would have even considered. So I'm going to another store and listening to different brands tomorrow.

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Bear123, Did you consider the Polk tsx220 (large front ported bookshelf) before deciding on the HSU speakers? Are the HSU speakers still doing well? Thanks!

Did not consider the Polk.  Yep they are doing great, very happy with them.  They can take all the power my little RXV-375 can throw at them.  Loud and clear on music louder than I ever care to listen, and amazing for movies.  Great imaging with these also.  They are spaced 12' apart, and at times I have to get up and check my center to make sure it is not on when listening to music.

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Did not consider the Polk.  Yep they are doing great, very happy with them.  They can take all the power my little RXV-375 can throw at them.  Loud and clear on music louder than I ever care to listen, and amazing for movies.  Great imaging with these also.  They are spaced 12' apart, and at times I have to get up and check my center to make sure it is not on when listening to music.

Thanks for the feedback! Looks like this speaker would be ideal for my situation. Do you think the subwoofer would need to be HSU as well. I had read that these speakers are tuned for their HSU subwoofers? Don't know if that is true or not. It may factor in my decision.
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You can use any sub with those speakers. Of course, the better the sub, the better the sound. Hsu subs are some of the best at their price points though, so they are well worth considering, and you also get a package discount if you go with their speakers.
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Thanks for the feedback! Looks like this speaker would be ideal for my situation. Do you think the subwoofer would need to be HSU as well. I had read that these speakers are tuned for their HSU subwoofers? Don't know if that is true or not. It may factor in my decision.

These speakers match well with any good subwoofer, as they play flat to about 60 Hz.  This enables them to blend very well with a subwoofer crossed over at 80Hz.  Lower quality bookshelf speakers, or satellite speakers often do not play that low, which means a sub has to be crossed much higher.  Over 80-100 Hz, some can start to tell where the bass is coming from (i.e. the sub instead of the speakers).  Normally, crossed at 80 Hz, a subwoofer can not easily be located audibly, which makes it sound as though your main speakers are producing all the sound, including the bass.

 

The only potential drawbacks you might consider with these is that you should keep the tweeters close to ear level for the best sound, and personally, I don't much like the way they look with the grilles off, but I leave mine on.,

 

There are many good quality bookshelf speakers in the $300/pair price range so take your time and look around, but I can't imagine you would be disappointed with these.

 

As far as HSU's subwoofers, they are right up there among the best of any other ID sub in their price ranges, and you might get a package discount if you purchase them together with a sub.

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So back from the dead... The engineer that I am, I am researching this to death. Not to mention that I am horrible in making a commitment, just ask my wife.

Couple of new considerations. Let me know what you think. Primarily because they will primarily be used for TV/Movie watching and "musicality" is not the priority. I do want to make sure that there is a lot of celerity as it is an odd room in an open floor plan house and two kids upstairs sleeping during most of the TV watching. Would love the power for family movie nights but needs to work well under lower volume (typically at 30dB under current set-up).

B&W CT700 series LCR's Defiantly pushing my budget.
Triad InRoom series LCR or Monitor, not sure. Would love Gold, but Silver might be the one in my budget.

I did purchase a new Receiver early this year. Yamaha RX-A1040. I'm hoping it can work with the new speakers to come.

I know some of you already dedicated some time to this thread and I would really appreciate if I can get a bit more of. I finally hired a carpenter for the Wall Unit. He is currently working on another project in the house and I would like to take this time to make the final selection on the speakers.
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All money compared for the two options above, what we really are comparing is:

B&W CT7.4 LCRS and Triad InRoom Silver LCR, as both are in similar price range.
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Given the parameters of your system configuration I'd find the money for the complete B&W L-C-R setup.


It's front ported, and not terribly deep, dimensionally speaking. They are large enough to (at least) begin to fill your room. Of course you will need a subwoofer solution too. What are you looking at for that, and for surround/rear speakers?
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Of course you will need a subwoofer solution too. What are you looking at for that, and for surround/rear speakers?
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I am currently wondering if I should save up for the 7.3 x 3, or can I get away with at the most get away with LR of 7.4 and doing 7.3 on the C.

I can't do surround/rear. This will have to be a 3.1 or 3.2 system. The way the room is set up there is no way for me to get wires/power to the back/sides. At best, I could possibly get power only at the rear and do a wireless speakers. Assuming it's worth the effort.

I have not yet selected the sub(s). Placement will be tricky as there are doors on either side of the wall unit that lead to the back yard. The list I have been keeping based on the recommendations:
SVS SB-2000
JL Audio
Martin Logan Dynamo 1500X
Rythmik F15HP
HSU VTF2
HSU VTF-15F
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Check out the Philharmonic BMRs made by Dennis Murphy. They are dynamic and should do a decent job filling your room.
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Primarily because they will primarily be used for TV/Movie watching and "musicality" is not the priority. I do want to make sure that there is a lot of celerity as it is an odd room in an open floor plan house and two kids upstairs sleeping during most of the TV watching. Would love the power for family movie nights but needs to work well under lower volume (typically at 30dB under current set-up).

B&W CT700 series LCR's Defiantly pushing my budget.
Triad InRoom series LCR or Monitor, not sure. Would love Gold, but Silver might be the one in my budget.
Both the B&Ws and Triads would be total overkill for your needs. Simple clarity for HT can be had for a fraction of the price these days. I'm talking $100-300 per speaker, tops. (Well, perhaps more than $300 apiece if WAF requires a pretty cabinet.)

However, these speakers score very well on the WAF scale, and would easily fall within my $100-300 apiece range:

EMPTek R5Bi, $225/pair shipped
http://emptek.com/r5bi.php

Hsu HB-1, around $370/pair shipped
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

When it comes to HT, why buy a Mercedes to do the job of a Honda Civic or (at most) Accord?
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Both the B&Ws and Triads would be total overkill for your needs. Simple clarity for HT can be had for a fraction of the price these days. I'm talking $100-300 per speaker, tops. (Well, perhaps more than $300 apiece if WAF requires a pretty cabinet.)

However, these speakers score very well on the WAF scale, and would easily fall within my $100-300 apiece range:

EMPTek R5Bi, $225/pair shipped
http://emptek.com/r5bi.php

Hsu HB-1, around $370/pair shipped
http://www.hsuresearch.com/products/hb-1.html

When it comes to HT, why buy a Mercedes to do the job of a Honda Civic or (at most) Accord?

Some of us prefer accurate rendering of the very high quality sound one can get out of a BlueRay disk. I was watching Eric Clapton's Crossroads 2011 and 2013 BR disks yesterday and my KEF R series speakers were really singing. I for one wouldn't have wanted anything less.
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Some of us prefer accurate rendering of the very high quality sound one can get out of a BlueRay disk. I was watching Eric Clapton's Crossroads 2011 and 2013 BR disks yesterday and my KEF R series speakers were really singing. I for one wouldn't have wanted anything less.
The OP is talking about an HT system, which usually implies watching regular film movies not CONCERT/MUSIC movies. Very few people use their HT system for any amount of critical music listening or concert DVDs, for which paying for an extra level of musical sound quality would actually make sense.

Unless you've heard the Hsu or EMPTeks for yourself, it appears that you are assuming that your KEFs are "better" based on how much you paid for them. Which would be a facile assumption.
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I'm not saying they're better because of price so don't be so presumptive. Yes I've heard the RBH/EmpTek speakers. I'm unimpressed but that's MY ears and no one else's.
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I'm not saying they're better because of price so don't be so presumptive. Yes I've heard the RBH/EmpTek speakers. I'm unimpressed but that's MY ears and no one else's.
No presumption, just a speculative guess: "Unless you've heard the Hsu or EMPTeks for yourself, it appears that you are assuming that..."

Anyway, I agree that everybody's preferences are different.
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