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I was able to score two of the Pioneer SP-FS52's yesterday when they dropped down to $59/shipped.. Lucked out .. got two from fry's, but then was able to get amazon to price match so I dropped $10 by not paying tax.... but.. these purchases always lead to more purchases ...

 

These are going to be pushed with a H/K AVR-525 receiver ..

 

85 watts x 2 (stereo) into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.07% THD - or 70 x 7 into 8 ohms (20-20,000 Hz) at 0.07% THD (surround mode)

 

two questions ..

 

 

 

First question is .. I currently have the SP-C21 center channel .. I've been informed that the SP-C22 is a leap's and bounds improvement .. so.. with the FS52's .. Would it make more sense or sound better .. to go with the SP-C22 or say the Polk CS2/CS10 ?

 

 

 

Second question, I purchased the FS52's out of pure assumption that they would be better than my 2002 Yamaha's ... I don't know how to properly read specs to tell which is the better speaker ...so...

 

 

are the pioneer SP-FS52's better then my old Yamaha NS-A200XT speakers - here's their specs

Woofer
Dual 8" Aluminum cone woofers with inverted dust caps, Magnetically Shielded

 

Midrange
4-1/4" Aluminum cone woofer with inverted dust cap, Magnetically Shielded

Tweeter
1" Aluminum dome

Nominal Power
110 watts

Music Power
220 watts

Speaker Sensitivity
89 dB/2.83V, 1M

Frequency Range
35 to 20,000 Hz

Impedance
6 ohms

 

 

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You could get the C22 at Best Buy and try it out compared to your C21, I wouldn't imagine there is a huge difference. As far as how they compare to your Yamaha's, that is up for your to decide. Try them and see. That is a ridiculous price for those speakers and you sure did get a good deal.

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That's a good idea ... cool, I might do that..  I guess if I dont like the best buy one I could just return it.

 

 

I was just trying to make sure, that from a pure spec point of view .. nothing jumped out and was like "OMG, Why would this idiot switch from this to that"

 

 

I read a little bit about the differences in sensitivity .. and frequency range .. and neither one jumped out and said 'you made a bad decision' ... or a good decision, besides the price :-)

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That's a good idea ... cool, I might do that..  I guess if I dont like the best buy one I could just return it.


I was just trying to make sure, that from a pure spec point of view .. nothing jumped out and was like "OMG, Why would this idiot switch from this to that"


I read a little bit about the differences in sensitivity .. and frequency range .. and neither one jumped out and said 'you made a bad decision' ... or a good decision, besides the price :-)

It looks to me just minor updates, nothing major, similar to how the Polk Monitor line went from 50 to 55, or 60 to 65, etc. Frequency response stayed the same, just looks a bit different. I don't think you'll notice much of a difference, if at all. But doesn't hurt to try.
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Oh cool, alright ..

 

Do you have to match companies for the front's and center ...

 

 

 

Would I then be better served to go from the SP-C22 to the polk C2/C10's ?

 

 

If this is all subjective, then I can check them all out ... There has been so many constructive and professional reviews of both lines of speakers, I just wanted to get an idea what the resounding opinion was..

 

Essentially, I'm trying to make a Christmas list, haha.

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Oh cool, alright ..
Do you have to match companies for the front's and center ...
Would I then be better served to go from the SP-C22 to the polk C2/C10's ?

It is better to timbre (voice) match the center with the fronts
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It is better to timbre (voice) match the center with the fronts
Read this from Bluray forum
http://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?p=4278584


Ok, I read this ...

 

it would be great if there was a timbre rating :-)

 

"Well, Clearly Jim, Your left speaker with a timbre of 29 wont sound good with your center speaker which is an 88"

 

 

but, anyways .... this is to say ... since the SP-C22 would have a similar (or identical?) build process or material to the SP-FS52's .. that they have matched timbre ?

 

 

 
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It is better to timbre (voice) match the center with the fronts
Read this from Bluray forum
 

 

 

 

 

I read the site ... good read .. good information ..

 

It would be great if they had a timbre rating :-)

 

 

"Well, Clearly Jim, Your front's have a timbre rating of 22, where your center has an  88 .... those wont match at all!!!"

 

 

So, anyways, would this be to say .. since the SP-C22 has a similar (or identical?) build process, design and cabinet components to the SP-FS52 .. that their timbre would be similar or identical ? where as  the FS52's and the Polk's, they wouldn't match well ?

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Jesus, this 'dont have a high enough rating to post a link' thing is really messing with me .... I was just trying to quote the previous poster!!!

 

 

please, I promise i'm not functionally retarded .... ignore my duplicate posts ...

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since the SP-C22 has a similar (or identical?) build process, design and cabinet components to the SP-FS52 .. that their timbre would be similar or identical ? where as  the FS52's and the Polk's, they wouldn't match well ?
Right - the Pioneer and Polk will not timbre match together - do not under-estimate the Pioneer center, it is a nice one.

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Grab the SPC22 for $69 on Amazon and be done...best match for your towers
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Right - the Pioneer and Polk will not timbre match together - do not under-estimate the Pioneer center, it is a nice one.

 

 

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Grab the SPC22 for $69 on Amazon and be done...best match for your towers

 

 

Thank you both.. I appreciate the advice .. I will put the SP-C22 on the xmas list.

 

 

Just as a side note to my other question ...

 

without you guys walking me through the basics of speakers or what not ..

 

 

when looking at the specs of two speakers ... are there things that jump out at you .. that tell you, without listening to both ... that one is better than another, or at least, SHOULD be ?

 

Like, my current speakers have aluminum cones .. and a 35 - 20k response .. where as the pioneers have a 40 - 20k response .... currents have a 89db sensitivity .. pioneers 87db..

 

does any of that stuff matter ? or are the small variations imperceivable?

 
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The dB is the sensitivity of the speaker, which means if you give it 1 watt and sit 1 meter away, it will be that loud. It takes twice as much power to increase the SPL of a speaker by 3dB, and less than 1 dB is essentially an inaudible difference. It takes a 10dB increase to have a perceived doubling of loudness.

It is harder to quantify a speaker based on it's specs, there is a lot of interaction between the various elements that go into the sound and that is something you can't convey with numbers. Good quality speakers are generally heavier, signifying better drivers and thicker cabinets/better bracing. When looking at a frequency response curve, a flat response is ideal and any dips and peaks along the curve will generally signify a certain sound characteristic.

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Your HK 525 is a powerful receiver so it'll have no problem driving the Pioneer to loud levels. Get the C22 and enjoy your new speakers!

Do you have a subwoofer?

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Just as a side note to my other question ...

without you guys walking me through the basics of speakers or what not ..

when looking at the specs of two speakers ... are there things that jump out at you .. that tell you, without listening to both ... that one is better than another, or at least, SHOULD be ?

Like, my current speakers have aluminum cones .. and a 35 - 20k response .. where as the pioneers have a 40 - 20k response .... currents have a 89db sensitivity .. pioneers 87db..

does any of that stuff matter ? or are the small variations imperceivable?
 

I do not get too optimistic about the Yamaha specs - specs do not say a whole lot - performace is what it is
all about. I really do not judge woofers by outside materials - there is more to a woofer than that.

The Pioneer impedance holds up good, and are really not that hard to drive - the Yamaha may play a little
louder - however, it is the overall performace that counts. The Pioneer can get loud and are not really harsh
or edgy sounding, and have a decent midrange.

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The dB is the sensitivity of the speaker, which means if you give it 1 watt and sit 1 meter away, it will be that loud. It takes twice as much power to increase the SPL of a speaker by 3dB, and less than 1 dB is essentially an inaudible difference. It takes a 10dB increase to have a perceived doubling of loudness.

It is harder to quantify a speaker based on it's specs, there is a lot of interaction between the various elements that go into the sound and that is something you can't convey with numbers. Good quality speakers are generally heavier, signifying better drivers and thicker cabinets/better bracing. When looking at a frequency response curve, a flat response is ideal and any dips and peaks along the curve will generally signify a certain sound characteristic.

Ok, good explanation .. that makes sense to me ...

 

 

so, unlike women .... heavier is usually better :-)

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AfroGT -

 

 

Yes, I have a sub ...

 

 

It is a sony, I'm at work so I wont be able to get a model # for you  until I get home, but, yes .... 3.1 system ...

 

Next step is to probably buy the bookshelf version of the Andrew jones speakers and hook them up to a wireless delivery device of some form ..

 

 

the amphony wireless amplifiers seem like something i'll probably try out ...but at $200 for just the kit itself, that will be down the line ..

 

for now, the music and sport events sound good enough...

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Hi all, was hoping I could jump in on this thread as well as I am in a similar situation. Got a great deal on the FS52's so much that I ended up with 4 ! smile.gif Now wanting to go with a center and like the op was looking at exactly the same choices. From your recommendations it appears the Pio 22 center is the way to go. My question is I am driving these from a VSX-1121, any concerns or advice you may have for this setup ? Also as I got the 4 floor standing was considering using the other 2 for rears and have my existing in wall get me to a 7.1 setup. Will these (FS52) be ok for rears or should I switch out to bookshelf ?

Any concerns about the VSX 1121 driving these 6 ohms ?

Thanks so much, just found it funny to be in almost identical situation to OP and glad to have scored a deal.

Happy holidays all !
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Yes, The Pio C22 is the matching center

The Pioneer receiver can handle 6 ohms

While I prefer the surrounds and rear be the same - your set-up
can work for you, if you do not block the drivers of the rear.

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The blocking part was my only concern after smile.gif Couches so will have to place the towers (if I keep them for rears) far enough to the side so the sound can escape smile.gif

Will this PIO setup be good for the large room (approx 16 ft wide by 19 ft long with 22+ ft ceilings ? I do have a sub as well but am looking at switching that for a Dayton 12"

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