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I am finally getting around to upgrading my system.  I picked up a marantz sr6007. Hope I made the right choice over the onkyo nr818.  Now I have to figure out what speakers to use.  The pioneer  SP-BS22-LR seem good for the price. I was going to pick up 2 pairs of those and the matching center. For the sub I am leaning towards the svs PB-1000.  Should I stick with the matching pioneers for the fronts? Will I be missing spots in the sound range with that setup?

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I am finally getting around to upgrading my system.  I picked up a marantz sr6007. Hope I made the right choice over the onkyo nr818.  Now I have to figure out what speakers to use.  The pioneer  SP-BS22-LR seem good for the price. I was going to pick up 2 pairs of those and the matching center. For the sub I am leaning towards the svs PB-1000.  Should I stick with the matching pioneers for the fronts? Will I be missing spots in the sound range with that setup?

Those Pioneer SP-BS22-LR bookshelf speakers are one of the great bargains in HiFi. They are limited in terms of maximum output, but they have good low frequency extension, enough to blend in with a sub at a reasonable crossover frequency. Matching speakers will net you a more seamless soundfield, but if you can spring for (and fit) the towers for your front L/R mains, it could be worthwhile.


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I am finally getting around to upgrading my system.  I picked up a marantz sr6007. Hope I made the right choice over the onkyo nr818.  Now I have to figure out what speakers to use.  The pioneer  SP-BS22-LR seem good for the price. I was going to pick up 2 pairs of those and the matching center. For the sub I am leaning towards the svs PB-1000.  Should I stick with the matching pioneers for the fronts? Will I be missing spots in the sound range with that setup?
That is a lot of receiver (money spent) - your receiver to speaker ratio seems to be off balance.
The Pioneers are nice for their price. What is your max budget for speakers and sub > and also
what is your room size?

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That is a lot of receiver (money spent) - your receiver to speaker ratio seems to be off balance.
The Pioneers are nice for their price. What is your max budget for speakers and sub > and also
what is your room size?

I wanted to make sure i had a good receiver to start with. 13x13 is the listening area and the room is 13x24. $1500 would probably be my max budget(waste not). I'd like to put more money into a good set of towers and try to save money by getting cheaper surrounds like the pioneers.  I like to play my music loud and don't think the pioneer towers will cut it.  Maybe I'm going at this the wrong way?

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Good prices on the Focal V series - I would recommend good bookshelves and a sub >
however, the prices on the towers are good.

Focal 717V towers
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL717VHVN/FOCAL-Chorus-717V-716V-Dual-6-1/2-Tower-Speaker-PAIR-Havana/1.html

Focal CC700 center
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCALCC701HVN/FOCAL-Chorus-CC701-CC700-Dual-6-1/2-Drivers-Center-Speaker-Havana/1.html

HSU subwoofer
http://hsuresearch.com/products/vtf-2mk4.html

Or, the SVS PB-1000 if budget is tight.

If you can not swing all of this - then hold off on the center for now

For one who likes music - a good 3.1 or 2.1 is better than a weak 5.1

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Agree with the budget concerns! You are buying 1000 plus receiver and spending a couple hundred on speaker! That should be reversed! I would buy a more budget friendly Avr, maybe 300 dollars and spend 1200 dollars on speaker/ sub! A great receiver will sound mediocre if you have mediocre speakers (and the pioneers are not great speakers, just great for the price). Just my 2 cents, but it is your money!

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I wanted to make sure i had a good receiver to start with. 13x13 is the listening area and the room is 13x24. $1500 would probably be my max budget(waste not). I'd like to put more money into a good set of towers and try to save money by getting cheaper surrounds like the pioneers.  I like to play my music loud and don't think the pioneer towers will cut it.  Maybe I'm going at this the wrong way?

1500 total including what you spent on the SR6007? Yes, I think you should recalibrate.

I really like my SR6007, but given what you spent on that receiver you should either: i) return the receiver and use a greater portion of your overall budget to purchase the your front l/r and center; or ii) significantly up your speaker budget. The best bang for your buck in terms of sound improvement and longevity comes from your speakers. You create a better system within your budget by not spending so much on the receiver.

I agree with saving money on the surrounds.
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The receiver was $750 since there is a newer model available. Was hoping to keep it under $1500 for the speakers. I have crappy speakers already to get me by so I don't have to invest all at once.  How much should I be spending on speakers to match the receiver?

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The receiver was $750 since there is a newer model available. Was hoping to keep it under $1500 for the speakers. I have crappy speakers already to get me by so I don't have to invest all at once.  How much should I be spending on speakers to match the receiver?

My two cents would be as follows:
- spend approximately 300-400 on the receiver.
- spend the 1500 budget speakers (focus on the LCR - particularly if you are a music fan) and sub.
By way of example, I have a friend who is happy with these (they used to have the piano black center as well):
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL717VHVN/FOCAL-Chorus-717V-716V-Dual-6-1/2-Tower-Speaker-PAIR-Havana/1.html
- Use your old speakers as surrounds.

That would save you about 300 from your current budget with the Marantz.

I should add that I am personally partial to towers (my system more focused on music). But you could also purchase bookshelf speakers, and a matching center for that amount.

In any event, I would suggest buying the best speakers possible as they will be with you for a while.
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Wow, I'll just play devil's advocate and say that the Pioneer bookshelf speakers should not be judged based on MSRP and that they are worth the investment in better amplification and processing, i.e. a better receiver. I know it flips conventional wisdom on its head, but that's just how it is. 


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The receiver was $750 since there is a newer model available. Was hoping to keep it under $1500 for the speakers. I have crappy speakers already to get me by so I don't have to invest all at once.  How much should I be spending on speakers to match the receiver?

As was recommended in post #5 and #9 - The Focal 717V
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCAL717VHVN/FOCAL-Chorus-717V-716V-Dual-6-1/2-Tower-Speaker-PAIR-Havana/1.html

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Well, I will play devils advocate as well...in 5 years, your Avr may very well be a couple generations behind the technology...and your speakers will not! And as long as your Avr has enough power and good room correction software, your speakers will be the thing that determine the sound quality of the system! The AJ Pioneer speaker are a good budget speaker for the buck...but anyway you slice it, they are a budget speaker!

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However, if you were interested in the BS22 Pioneer speakers - there is a modified version available, which
really does take them to a higher level - they are modified by Dennis Murphy of Philharmonic Audio > It will
cost just a little more than the list price of the speakers. My subjective review here >
http://www.avsforum.com/t/1501355/murphyblaster-pioneer-bs22-dna-speaker

He has also modified the center channel.

Look here
http://philharmonicaudio.com/folio-me/html/Phil%20Pages/AALS.html

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And one more option, with bookshelf speakers

Focal 706V bookshelf
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-41246-focal-chorus-706v-bookshelf-speakers-pr.aspx

Focal CC700V center
http://www.musicdirect.com/p-4927-focal-chorus-cc700v-center-speaker.aspx

Pioneer stock BS22 or modified BS22-DNA speaker

Then the SVS PB-1000 subwoofer

This meets the $1500 speaker budget, and you will have a nice system

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The receiver was $750 since there is a newer model available. Was hoping to keep it under $1500 for the speakers. I have crappy speakers already to get me by so I don't have to invest all at once.  How much should I be spending on speakers to match the receiver?

Personally, I'd look at spending the same amount on EACH of my front three speakers as on the AVR. You picked up a superseded model (which is smart) of what is normally a $1000 AVR, so ultimately I'd be looking at towers around $2000/pair and the matching centre channel for <$1000.

What's done is done with the AVR... you've got it and it's a good bit of kit. My suggestion to redress the balance is to shop for towers in this price range and when you find what you like, buy a pair of the matching bookshelf speakers and a single sub from one of the well established ID sub companies. Use your current speakers as surrounds. Run a "phantom" centre if your current speakers are a poor match. Then, when you've saved a bit, buy the matching towers and move the bookshelves to surround duty. Center channel is next and then a second identical sub (if you feel it's needed).

For $2000/pair towers, my picks favour the ID brands because you can audition in your own room for a few weeks. All have a well executed tweeter-over-mid matching centre channel and matching bookshelf versions. I don't think you can go wrong with any of these:

SVS Ultra

Aperion Audio Verus Grand

Ascend Acoustics Sierra (NrT)

My picks for a sub are either the Rythmik Audio LV12R or the F15 if you can manage it. Many great options in this space though.
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What do you think of this setup?

It's just a starting point to find a baseline. 

 

Towers- FOCAL Chorus 717V

Center- Affordable accuracy SP-C22

Surrounds- Affordable accuracy  SP-BS22-LR 

Rear surrounds- Affordable accuracy  SP-BS22-LR 

Sub- HSU VTF-2 MK4

 

Puts me at $1650

 

 

Without adding an amp,can I drive anything more then the FOCAL Chorus 717V off of the sr6007?

 

Thanks for helping me guys.

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What do you think of this setup?
It's just a starting point to find a baseline. 

Towers- FOCAL
 Chorus 717V

Center- A
ffordable accuracy SP-C22
Surrounds- Affordable accuracy  SP-BS22-LR 
Rear surrounds- Affordable accuracy  SP-BS22-LR 
Sub- HSU VTF-2 MK4

Puts me at $1650

Without adding an amp,can I drive anything more then the FOCAL
 Chorus 717V off of the sr6007?

Thanks for helping me guys.
Change the center to the Focal - for timbre (voice) matching up front - a good price
http://www.accessories4less.com/make-a-store/item/FOCALCC701HVN/FOCAL-Chorus-CC701-CC700-Dual-6-1/2-Drivers-Center-Speaker-Havana/1.html

The Marantz receiver will be fine for now

If budget is a challange for the Focal center, then save up for your surrounds

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I'm about to buy the FOCAL Chorus 727V towers and the matching FOCAL Chorus CC701 center. Before I purchase these, I want to know what the next step up would be? I am going to try to justify spending more before I purchase the Focals.

 

I will save up for a Rthymik FV15HP. It looks like that is the end of the road sub before jumping up to a Seaton, which is not going to happen. I am going keep my current surrounds for now.

 

Thanks for your help guys. I'm getting closer.

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I'm about to buy the FOCAL Chorus 727V
 towers and the matching FOCAL Chorus CC701
 center. Before I purchase these, I want to know what the next step up would be? I am going to try to justify spending more before I purchase the Focals.

Here you go
http://www.dedicatedaudio.com/inc/sdetail/4705/38112

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I settled on the Focal 727V and CC701. I'm enjoying the sound they produce in pure direct mode. The sub is next on the list.

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