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AcuDefTechGuy 08:00 AM 12-19-2013
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Originally Posted by lovinthehd View Post

Thought Lucas was the one who worked with Ken Kreisel for THX speakers, thus M&K not B&W.....

I think this whole thing got started when someone said that Lucas = THX and that he uses B&W speakers.

To which I responded, "If Lucas = THX, then why doesn't he uses THX speakers INSTEAD of B&W?" biggrin.gif

Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 08:39 AM 12-19-2013
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I think this whole thing got started when someone said that Lucas = THX
Lucas is no more= THX than he is = visual effects. He writes, produces and directs. Where sound and visuals are concerned he has/had people to do that, Skywalker Sound (nee Sprocket Systems) and Industrial Light and Magic. Buying speakers based on what he listens to is as sensible as buying a car based on what he drives. Chances are he got whatever speakers he listens to via a gopher anyway.
AcuDefTechGuy 08:44 AM 12-19-2013
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Lucas is no more= THX than he is = visual effects. He writes, produces and directs. Where sound and visuals are concerned he has/had people to do that, Skywalker Sound (nee Sprocket Systems) and Industrial Light and Magic. Buying speakers based on what he listens to is as sensible as buying a car based on what he drives. Chances are he got whatever speakers he listens to via a gopher anyway.

Agree 100% there. biggrin.gif
Russdawg's Avatar Russdawg 09:16 AM 12-19-2013
x2 ^
Vital's Avatar Vital 10:15 AM 12-19-2013
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Originally Posted by AcuDefTechGuy View Post

I think this whole thing got started when someone said that Lucas = THX and that he uses B&W speakers.

To which I responded, "If Lucas = THX, then why doesn't he uses THX speakers INSTEAD of B&W?" biggrin.gif
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post

Lucas is no more= THX than he is = visual effects. He writes, produces and directs. Where sound and visuals are concerned he has/had people to do that, Skywalker Sound (nee Sprocket Systems) and Industrial Light and Magic. Buying speakers based on what he listens to is as sensible as buying a car based on what he drives. Chances are he got whatever speakers he listens to via a gopher anyway.

OK, let me get this right. George Lucas is so concerned and obsessed with sound that he hired Tomlinson Holman to design the audio mixing facilities at Lucas’ Skywalker Ranch which eventually led to the THX standard. Lucas spent his hard earned money seeking the best audio experience possible which took YEARS but he isn't really concerned with audio? He just uses whatever speakers some gopher brings him? LMBO! What was said was, George Lucas uses B&W speakers at his Skywalker Ranch mixing studio. Bill has pointed out, it's not actually George Lucas running the studio himself but rather the professionals of Skywalker Sound and those guys chose B&W speakers for the studio. So I stand by my statement, the fact that George Lucas uses B&W speakers in the world class Skywalker Ranch mixing studio is a testament to how good the speaker is.
Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 11:02 AM 12-19-2013
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So I stand by my statement, the fact that George Lucas uses B&W speakers in the world class Skywalker Ranch mixing studio is a testament to how good the speaker is.
I'd say it's a testament to how good whoever outfitted the studio thought they were. Not that there's any reason not to use B&W, but they're neither better nor worse than dozens of other choices.
AV Science Sales 5's Avatar AV Science Sales 5 11:04 AM 12-19-2013
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OK, let me get this right. George Lucas is so concerned and obsessed with sound that he hired Tomlinson Holman to design the audio mixing facilities at Lucas’ Skywalker Ranch which eventually led to the THX standard. Lucas spent his hard earned money seeking the best audio experience possible which took YEARS but he isn't really concerned with audio? He just uses whatever speakers some gopher brings him? LMBO! What was said was, George Lucas uses B&W speakers at his Skywalker Ranch mixing studio. Bill has pointed out, it's not actually George Lucas running the studio himself but rather the professionals of Skywalker Sound and those guys chose B&W speakers for the studio. So I stand by my statement, the fact that George Lucas uses B&W speakers in the world class Skywalker Ranch mixing studio is a testament to how good the speaker is.

Either that or it could mean B&W gave them a set of speakers, so that B&W would be able to say, their speakers were selected above others for Skywalker Ranch. You never know what deals go on. smile.gif
pokekevin's Avatar pokekevin 11:10 AM 12-19-2013
Same with de lane lea's endorsement deal
Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 11:12 AM 12-19-2013
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Either that or it could mean B&W gave them a set of speakers, so that B&W would be able to say, their speakers were selected above others for Skywalker Ranch. You never know what deals go on. smile.gif
There's that too. If B&W advertises this fact then it's a pretty safe bet it's a product placement deal. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but one must be aware that there's a number of reasons why every judge on American Idol appears to prefer Coca-Cola, and they're all the color green. wink.gif
JerryLove's Avatar JerryLove 11:23 AM 12-19-2013
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OK, let me get this right. George Lucas is so concerned and obsessed with sound that he hired Tomlinson Holman to design the audio mixing facilities at Lucas’ Skywalker Ranch which eventually led to the THX standard. Lucas spent his hard earned money seeking the best audio experience possible which took YEARS but he isn't really concerned with audio? He just uses whatever speakers some gopher brings him? LMBO! What was said was, George Lucas uses B&W speakers at his Skywalker Ranch mixing studio. Bill has pointed out, it's not actually George Lucas running the studio himself but rather the professionals of Skywalker Sound and those guys chose B&W speakers for the studio. So I stand by my statement, the fact that George Lucas uses B&W speakers in the world class Skywalker Ranch mixing studio is a testament to how good the speaker is.
It's not just Skywalker sound. Abby road: the largest recording studio in the world makes heavy use of B&W.
JerryLove's Avatar JerryLove 11:30 AM 12-19-2013
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Lucas is no more= THX than he is = visual effects. He writes, produces and directs. Where sound and visuals are concerned he has/had people to do that, Skywalker Sound (nee Sprocket Systems) and Industrial Light and Magic. Buying speakers based on what he listens to is as sensible as buying a car based on what he drives. Chances are he got whatever speakers he listens to via a gopher anyway.
And bill doesn't make speaker... he just puts drivers designed and made by other people in cabinets made of wood milled by other people with crossovers of parts made designed and made by other people. He's worse than George Lucas.

Seriously Bill, you just sound bitter and jealous in that post. Lucas has, yes with the assistance of many others whom he hired and set goals for, made huge changes in how movies are made and shown. Whether it's the invention of NLE and the editing-based pacing that came from it, or his contributions to digital recording and editing, or motion control, or the many millions he's poured into education for future innovators; he has contributed far more than you or I ever will.

And no. If not for Lucas, none of us would have ever heard of THX (if it even existed, which would be unlikely).
tsteves's Avatar tsteves 11:51 AM 12-19-2013
Nobody mentioned Magnepan 1.7 's?!
lovinthehd's Avatar lovinthehd 12:59 PM 12-19-2013
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OK, let me get this right. George Lucas is so concerned and obsessed with sound that he hired Tomlinson Holman to design the audio mixing facilities at Lucas’ Skywalker Ranch which eventually led to the THX standard. Lucas spent his hard earned money seeking the best audio experience possible which took YEARS but he isn't really concerned with audio? He just uses whatever speakers some gopher brings him? LMBO! What was said was, George Lucas uses B&W speakers at his Skywalker Ranch mixing studio. Bill has pointed out, it's not actually George Lucas running the studio himself but rather the professionals of Skywalker Sound and those guys chose B&W speakers for the studio. So I stand by my statement, the fact that George Lucas uses B&W speakers in the world class Skywalker Ranch mixing studio is a testament to how good the speaker is.
It's not just Skywalker sound. Abby road: the largest recording studio in the world makes heavy use of B&W.

This is more what I was originally thinking I'd read, that Abbey Road had B&W speakers (and some fancy magic type cables, too IIRC). Hadn't seen anything about Skywalker having B&W until this thread but then my memory.....
music first's Avatar music first 02:52 PM 12-19-2013
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Why is almost every post you make accompanied by a million biggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gifbiggrin.gif ? rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif:

Damn good question!!!! He does it every time. Even on other forums.
music first's Avatar music first 03:00 PM 12-19-2013
Another vote for the Ascend Acoustics Sierra Tower. Had a chance to hear them a while back and they are great. They are my next speaker..
losservatore's Avatar losservatore 03:38 PM 12-19-2013
If THX is so serious and super picky on choosing the best, why they put a THX logo on cheap pc speakers like ,Logitech,klipsch,altec Lansing ,creative,also onkyo THX home theater in a box,to me is just all about marketing, if they use B&W speakers they must be getting paid to promote that brand its plain and simple. Studio speakers must be flat and accurate with very low distortion, that its something that only a active speaker can do better.


advertisements are everywhere.....even on this page....lol


THX has lost their integrity with all this.
Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 04:07 PM 12-19-2013
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If THX is so serious and super picky on choosing the best, why they put a THX logo on cheap pc speakers
Because the current owners of the THX name, Creative Labs, is paid a royalty every time it appears on a product. To maximize how many times it happens there are various classifications of THX, which pretty much insures that if you want it on your speaker, and are willing to pay for the right to wear that logo, you can.
JerryLove's Avatar JerryLove 05:41 PM 12-19-2013
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THX has lost their integrity with all this.
It is possible that the situation has changed since I last looked closely and the brand has been diluted.
m7lenart's Avatar m7lenart 06:48 PM 12-19-2013

You could always go with 40 8" subs from monoprice and stack them into a beautiful wall?

 

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=8248&seq=1&format=2

 

All joking aside I'm having this exact same "issue".  It's hard not to go for those focal chorus 836vs on music direct.

 

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-139685-focal-chorus-836v-tower-speakers-pr.aspx?source=igodigital&


Hopinater's Avatar Hopinater 07:49 PM 12-19-2013
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Originally Posted by Bill Fitzmaurice View Post


Because the current owners of the THX name, Creative Labs, is paid a royalty every time it appears on a product. To maximize how many times it happens there are various classifications of THX, which pretty much insures that if you want it on your speaker, and are willing to pay for the right to wear that logo, you can.

This is so true. It's sad because it lures unsuspecting consumers into the trap of buying lesser products based on a logo that they were led to believe meant something. It happens all the time, the watering down of product lines for easy cash. Consumer beware.

 

I'm not saying that B&W are not good speakers because I think they are. But it has nothing to do with the THX logo.


Gmash's Avatar Gmash 08:02 PM 12-19-2013
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You could always go with 40 8" subs from monoprice and stack them into a beautiful wall?

http://www.monoprice.com/Product?c_id=109&cp_id=10906&cs_id=1090602&p_id=8248&seq=1&format=2

All joking aside I'm having this exact same "issue".  It's hard not to go for those focal chorus 836vs on music direct.

http://www.musicdirect.com/p-139685-focal-chorus-836v-tower-speakers-pr.aspx?source=igodigital&
I absolutely hate those grills on the bookshelves, but it doesn't look bad on the towers.
DaJoJo's Avatar DaJoJo 08:22 PM 12-19-2013

wow.. just asking for a option for floorstanders end up in a whole conversation about THX crap you can find in a wiki page lol

seriously.... speaking of hijacking a topic lmao

anyways ....

try these and you forget about any too-much-money costing crap there is .  http://www.millon.nl/-.cobra3.aluminium.luidsprekers.html  @ 2000€ a set. just a bit more then the 2000$ but so much worth it.

edit: i forgot... they use mark levinson in this hollywood mixing studios.. for a reason..


Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 08:56 PM 12-19-2013
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seriously.... speaking of hijacking a topic
Not if the OP might be led by some to believe that a THX sticker makes a speaker worth any more than one without one. Well, actually, it does...to THX. wink.gif
DaJoJo's Avatar DaJoJo 09:03 PM 12-19-2013
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Not if the OP might be led by some to believe that a THX sticker makes a speaker worth any more than one without one. Well, actually, it does...to THX. wink.gif

i didn't have the impression he was considering that. THX is just a sticker nowadays and it says that a speaker meet the THX standards.. for what that is worth nowadays. most audiophile speakers do easily meet that standard and are far superior to most THX certified stuff. Clearly he was looking to some floorstanders that have a lower then 80hz freq spec lol

i think OP is more happy to hear recommendations on good speakers than he would consider buying a THX. that said... let us give him some good options for the money he want to spend on floorstanders that are aestaticly nice.


Bill Fitzmaurice's Avatar Bill Fitzmaurice 09:06 PM 12-19-2013
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i didn't have the impression he was considering that.
Neither did I, but the point was brought up, as if it actually means anything.
DaJoJo's Avatar DaJoJo 09:11 PM 12-19-2013
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Neither did I, but the point was brought up, as if it actually means anything.

it does.. for a THX setup.. not for floorspeakers for stereomusic


joegator81's Avatar joegator81 08:58 AM 12-20-2013
I know i'm coming a little late to this thread but I've got to back up some of the suggestions others have made. Specifically, the Salk Songtowers. I own a pair of Songtowers and they are really very good. The midrange is quite clear and articulate. In my mind there are 3 great points to be made about the Salk Songtowers:

1. Sound Quality, especially considering the price. Internet Direct certainly has its benefits

2. Customization: you can choose virtually any finish your heart deserves at a cost (usually not too high) of course but he also has several standard finishes that are very tasteful and should please almost anybody. You can also customize the actual speaker components and design as well. You can have the speaker front ported. You can upgrade the tweeter too.

3. Customer service: I can personally attest to this. I just recently sent my songtowers back in to be refinished. I had purchased my speakers in basic black satin finish however, I believe do to changes in humidity, the boxes began to expand and shrink ever so slightly causing the finish to peal and chip in some places (very small but ever so slightly noticeable). I contacted Jim, and he has built new cabinets for the speakers with a custom wood finish for me at what I consider to be a minimal cost and will be well worth it. Also, Jim sent me the name and contact info of a local man named Bryan, who owned a pair of songtowers when I was considering the purchase. I demoed the speakers at Bryans home and shortly after ordered my own pair. Bryan and I became really good friends and because of him I have a Vinyl addiction smile.gif. We still stay in touch even though he and his wife have since moved to costa rica.




Just to show that I am not just a Salk fan boy I would suggest auditioning the Golden Ear Triton range and the KEF LS50. Though I have not personally heard these speakers the reviews have me quite intrigued and I hope to hear them soon even though I am not in the market to buy. I have also heard the Nola Boxer and it is a really nice speaker as well
AcuDefTechGuy 09:04 AM 12-20-2013
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THX is just a sticker nowadays
The Klipsch KL650 is THX. It was measured by 2 independent 3rd parties (AH & HTM) to be +/- 1.0 dB on axis and smooth off-axis. So I think THX does mean at least one thing - that THX speakers measure well.
DaJoJo's Avatar DaJoJo 09:27 AM 12-20-2013
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THX is just a sticker nowadays
The Klipsch KL650 is THX. It was measured by 2 independent 3rd parties (AH & HTM) to be +/- 1.0 dB on axis and smooth off-axis. So I think THX does mean at least one thing - that THX speakers measure well.

it means Klipsch rulez and they wipe the floor with these THX blabla ^^

but this topic was about stereo floorstanders wasn't it ?


SyntheticShrimp's Avatar SyntheticShrimp 09:41 AM 12-20-2013
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The Klipsch KL650 is THX. It was measured by 2 independent 3rd parties (AH & HTM) to be +/- 1.0 dB on axis and smooth off-axis. So I think THX does mean at least one thing - that THX speakers measure well.
Where do you see that it has smooth off axis response? Just curious. I've only been able to find very limited measurements of that speaker.
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