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This is my setup : Paradigm Esprit floorstanding, CC-370 center, Monitor V5 bookshelf as surround running through a Denon AVR-2112Ci. The room is about 12x8x20. with carpet. I do 50/50 gaming/movies. Plasma Viera VT50 3D TV, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Panasonic blu-ray player and my relic Toshiba HD-DVD. I am in a apartment building so I can't play as loud as I want too.

I am debating to go to Studio 60 V5 or buy an Anthem MRX 710 and upgrade the speaker later. My Denon is an ok receiver but its just a consumer level grade. I would love to get into pro-consumer level. I am just worried the studio V60 will overwhelm my center and I that I need to upgrade to CC-690 or better to match it.
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speakers are a much better upgrade than an amp, you wont hear much if any improvement in sound with an amp.

i dont know if your center matches the fronts you want to upgrade to but when you calibrate your system the new fronts should not over power the center.
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This is my setup : Paradigm Esprit floorstanding, CC-370 center, Monitor V5 bookshelf as surround running through a Denon AVR-2112Ci. The room is about 12x8x20. with carpet. I do 50/50 gaming/movies. Plasma Viera VT50 3D TV, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Panasonic blu-ray player and my relic Toshiba HD-DVD. I am in a apartment building so I can't play as loud as I want too.

I am debating to go to Studio 60 V5 or buy an Anthem MRX 710 and upgrade the speaker later. My Denon is an ok receiver but its just a consumer level grade. I would love to get into pro-consumer level. I am just worried the studio V60 will overwhelm my center and I that I need to upgrade to CC-690 or better to match it.

One word: Subwoofer
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One word: Subwoofer

That's like a eviction notice waiting to happen. I have an 10" Onkyo sub that I keep at low level. Sorry forgot to add it to my list.
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Do not expect a night and day difference with an Anthem receiver - a better receiver can be
fun, however I would not go over-board. There is only so much the Esprit and Monitor series
speakers can do. You may like the Studio series.

I prefer the JBL Studio 5 sound signature, over the Paradigm Esprit and Monitor speakers

JBL Studio 580 -
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-580-Floorstanding-Loudspeaker/dp/B0060IG460

You can get a new set-up of speakers and center > a better and not over-kill sub > plus
upgrade the receiver with that budget

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Do not expect a night and day difference with an Anthem receiver - a better receiver can be
fun, however I would not go over-board. There is only so much the Esprit and Monitor series
speakers can do. You may like the Studio series.

I prefer the JBL Studio 5 sound signature, over the Paradigm Esprit and Monitor speakers

JBL Studio 580 -
http://www.amazon.com/JBL-Studio-580-Floorstanding-Loudspeaker/dp/B0060IG460

You can get a new set-up of speakers and center > a better and not over-kill sub > plus
upgrade the receiver with that budget

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I just found a pair of Paradigm Studio 100 V3 for 950$ on CL. So I guess I can shop around for a better center/amp after all :-)
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I just found a pair of Paradigm Studio 100 V3 for 950$ on CL. So I guess I can shop around for a better center/amp after all :-)
I have that Denon receiver and it is really a decent piece. I also have a somewhat older and a good bit more powerful Pioneer Elite and frankly other than the Denon having Audyssey and the Pioneer MACC I can't hear the difference.

Per Stereophile the Studio 100 is a fairly demanding load on an amplifier. It drops to 2.5 ohms impedance so it is hard to say. You may want to think about what the overall load is when you are powering all those speakers.

http://www.stereophile.com/content/paradigm-reference-studio100-v3-loudspeaker-measurements


The JBL 5 series is very nice. I have the bookshelf and must say I really, really like it. I know I am going to have an eye out for a deal on a pair of the 580s. I have PSB Image stuff in the house in a 7.1 setup. I also have lots of different bookshelves, all very highly regarded at their price points. Based on the Studio 530 bookshelf if I was looking for floorstanders to get more bass extension without a big sub I would be aimed at the 580 or even the 590 like a laser beam. The bass on the bookshelf is really crisp.

If the bookshelves are any gage the JBL Studio 5 series towers have to be something else.

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That's like a eviction notice waiting to happen. I have an 10" Onkyo sub that I keep at low level. Sorry forgot to add it to my list.

 

A good subwoofer doesn't have to be played loud to still notice the difference in improved sound quality. The difference between a good sub and a poor to mediocre sub is big, whether it's played loud or soft. It's the difference between sloppy boomy bass and tight clear bass. So I agree that a sub would be a good thing to consider. I would also say speakers as well over an amp.
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This is my setup : Paradigm Esprit floorstanding, CC-370 center, Monitor V5 bookshelf as surround running through a Denon AVR-2112Ci.

Have you run the Audyssey calibration that is part of the Denon AVR-2112Ci.?

I'm probably well known around here for my disdain for subwoofers that are less than 12", and if prodded, I can give the reasons why. I currently have 2 12" subwoofers and have the drivers for 2 15" waiting for me to build the enclosures.

Also, how are your room's acoustics?
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I made a decision today. My CL fell through and decided to upgrade to Kef Q700 + Q600C. I got a decent deal at my local store and I got some money left to get either a better sub or a Denon X-4000.
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This is my setup : Paradigm Esprit floorstanding, CC-370 center, Monitor V5 bookshelf as surround running through a Denon AVR-2112Ci. The room is about 12x8x20. with carpet. I do 50/50 gaming/movies. Plasma Viera VT50 3D TV, PS4, Xbox One, Xbox 360, Panasonic blu-ray player and my relic Toshiba HD-DVD. I am in a apartment building so I can't play as loud as I want too.

I am debating to go to Studio 60 V5 or buy an Anthem MRX 710 and upgrade the speaker later. My Denon is an ok receiver but its just a consumer level grade. I would love to get into pro-consumer level. I am just worried the studio V60 will overwhelm my center and I that I need to upgrade to CC-690 or better to match it.

Projector would be the best value for that budget. Its the biggest upgrade you can do. No subs, amps or speaker upgrade can compare to a giant screen biggrin.gif


edit. sorry did not see you made up your mind enjoy your new speakers smile.gif

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